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Therapist Behavior And Emdr - Need Opinion

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bonogirl79

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I started seeing a therapist a month or so ago. My issue has been communication problems in my 6-year relationship and the possibility that we're realizing it might not last much longer. The sessions with my therapist have included me having to make a list of negative events in my life, many of which were traumas associated with the ending of friendships and relationships and being bullied in school, and I lost the ability to trust people along the way. It may have even been something I was born with, and I'm also a very anxious person. Me thinking I might lose my long-term boyfriend has exacerbated that. So we were going to try EMDR this week.

However, in last week's session, I talked about the issues with my boyfriend generally (he's not a bad person; our communication styles both need work -- I've become moody, emotional and distant, and those are things I don't like about myself and want to fix). My therapist began saying that maybe HE'S just an a*hole, that maybe I have a right to be moody, and then she started raising her voice louder and louder, saying that I should just tell him that he's the one with the problem, that I have a g*dam right to be moody and he better just f'ing deal with it, etc. -- she started swearing really badly and almost shouting, telling me what I should say. When this interaction was happening, I initially went into shock that she was talking that way, and I said that no, that's not the issue, I'm here because I want to learn why I'm being moody and stop doing it. I don't like myself when I'm doing it. She looked at me and continued telling me what I should say to him, and that's when she started yelling. I started talking loudly over her and said "This between you and I isn't working. I don't need the swearing. I don't need to feel this way. I'm not here for this." My heart was pounding with anxiety, I felt attacked by how she was talking to me.

She stopped, got semi-calm, and said that she was testing me to see how I would react to having those sorts of negative emotions and words pouring at me, because she wants me to be prepared for the overwhelming emotions I might feel during EMDR. She said she was happy that I had spoken up and told her that I felt she was being disrepectful, because many people just sit there and say nothing. I understood that she wanted to see if I was ready for EMDR, and I felt better but still shaken.

As the days have passed since then, I've gotten unsure if I feel safe being emotional with her. I still feel anxious thinking of last week. I don't know her that well; we haven't done much talk therapy; she pretty much immediately understood what my issues were, and that was comforting. I've seen a number of therapists who never got me. And I really think EMDR is what I need, and she apparently does an "intense," faster EMDR that will get the root of my issues.

My question is: her behavior to get a rise out me and test my emotional strength -- is that something a therapist sometimes does to see if someone is ready for EMDR? Do you think her reasons for doing it are valid?

Part of me doesn't want to see her, part of me hopes this type of EMDR might work (we haven't had an actual session of it yet), and I don't want to be a quitter without giving it a chance. But I'm just not sure if I feel totally safe and able to expose my deepest insecurities. She's an older lady, a bit absent-minded when she talks, and she's also said a few things that have made me feel a little bad about myself, like when I asked her what happens during EMDR, she said "I don't usually explain this to my patients, but I'll make an exception for my Lisa" (that's me). That statement made me feel a little bad about myself for asking, like she was not treating me as an adult.

Overall, do you think her behavior is acceptable, and would you proceed with having EMDR with her?
 
I suspect you are going to get a strong reaction to this and I have to say I am struggling to see how this could be OK.

an "intense," faster EMDR that will get the root of my issues.
Could you say more about this? How long have you seen her - how many sessions? Has your boyfriend done anything to you we should know about?

You say she seems to understand you quickly. Can you say more about that and what you like about her?
 
I don't see how your therapist reactions were acceptable. I can sort of see the point of 'testing the client' but that can be done without swearing or yelling IMHO.

I am actually suspicions that when she calmed down that she made up the 'testing' part to justify what she had just done.

Like @Abstract I don't know what "intense faster EMDR" is? That is not something I have heard of.

Best wishes.
 
I don't like the sound of her shouting either, nor her rather patronising reference to you as 'her' Lisa. The shouting would have really triggered me and I think I would have walked out of the room. It all seems a bit abusive to me. I hope I don't offend you by saying that.
 
I'd be wary of intense faster EMDR. Is there even such a thing? Maybe Anthony will chime in, as he is knowledgeable about EMDR, although he seems to be on the forum less these days.

I'd be wary of a therapist saying she does intense EMDR. No matter the therapy, it goes at the speed of the client, not the therapist. Yes, the therapist should push, but even so, not too far beyond the comfort level of the client.

She seems to be a bit condescending. Why NOT explain EMDR to a client? We all have a right to question a treatment and how it works, whether it be for a physical ailment or a mental disorder. Dare I say the client who doesn't inquire about a treatment is doing themselves a huge disservice?
 
Thanks you guys. @Echo, you didn't offend at all. I've felt the same. @Abstract - I don't know what the EMDR is that she's talking about. She hasn't explained it much in great detail other than headphones are involved and rescripting, but she says that with her method we get results 'fast,' not in 6 months or so, and there are only a few therapists that do the sort of intense EMDR she does. I've seen her maybe 4 times. @Abstract - My boyfriend hasn't done anything bad to me; we argue a lot about stupid little things, and have never really been blissfully in love, but we're a good team and love each other. I'm very sensitive, more serious, and empathetic, and he's logical, not emotional, and childish sometimes but responsible overall. We're seeing a couples therapist as well, which is making us a little more irritated with each other while we figure things out, but this moodiness and impatience is something that I've felt growing in myself towards people other than just him, and I've let a lot of friendships go over the years, so I want to figure out if it's something about me or my past. I want to get over my trust issues with people. Thus, the therapy and hopefulness with EMDR.
 
@Solara - I've found out more about EMDR online than through her. I think she said that because I do want to know how everything works, I like to be in control of situations (more than normal), and I don't just blindly put my trust in people. But it did feel condescending, which is not helpful with someone who has low self-esteem.

I've seen something online called brainspotting... I don't know if that's what she means.
 
Thinking more about this all that the incident exposed about you is that you can be assertive. Assuming that her very odd behaviour was about testing your readiness for EMDR I cannot see how it would do that! A proper evaluation of your coping skills and maybe an experiment with EMDR using non traumatic information would do what she says she was doing.

I hate that she is blaming you for wanting to know more about the process. That is a red flag for me. I cannot see any reasonable explanation for her behaviour and the explanation that it was about testing sounds very worrying to me.

Probably most of all I am concerned about the fast EMDR. I would want to see literature on it and have her refer me to somewhere I could read up about it. I would want to know exactly how it is different to standard EMDR. Many things make me feel uncomfortable about this setup.
 
Bonogirl,

There's not much I can add here. I think everything pretty much been said, and I think your sense of not wanting to see this T again is very understandable. Is there a "well founded" (evidenced based) reason for folks who work in any of the caring professions (i.e. medical staff, therapists, dentists, etc.) to yell, swear, scream, cuss, etc. at any patient, for any reason???? Huh, huh? Is there? I sorely doubt it. IMHO - the T's justification for her behavior was/is simply B.S.

Sure, a strong, assertive and reasonable, part of you was expressed. But a good thereapist can bring those types of things out of someone fairly easily - it's what they've been trained to do! What if your response had not been different? What if the less than kindly behavior resulted in having a psychotic break-down?

The T took a giant risk. Not just one risk, but four. #1 - not telling you beforehand that at some point she would test you and provide you with a bit of an overview of what that would be like. #2 - she tested you. #3 - by testing you in the manner she did, she's threated to jeoprdise the therapsist/patient relationshiip (and possibly reduce her credibility and income) . #4 - I don't know about Ireland, but the behavior the T displayed could be reason for sanctions placed upon one's ablity to practice therapy in the U.S. IMHO (again) - the behavior the T displayed was just plain stupid. Her reasons, B.S. And I would not want to return to her. I'd take what I learned about myself from the experience and find someone else. In your post, I don't think you really said what the communication issue(s) were/are between you and your BF. I think I'd try to find a different thereapist, a different method of working towards better communications with my BF, and I'd probably enroll in assertiness training and martial arts classes before I'd think again about any sort of quick fix. But these are just my thoughts, my opinion, and that's just me . . .

I'm sorry you're having such a tough time with all of this. Its' got to be frustrating and a bit confusing on severl levels.
Can I at least offer you a hug? (((hugs?)))

Drew
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