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This So Called Weapons Ban

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.........................My advice: do as I did and have a family member stow them for you. That is what intelligent individuals do.

Real, responsible gun owners are man enough to know when they shouldn't have access. Nut-job zealots to caught up in their own egos get themselves are worked up over silly shit and end up on the National news and make the rest of us look bad.


You carry on like this sludge and I will have to start respecting you ;)
 
In the news? How many combat vets with PTSD go on mass shooting sprees? I don't know of any. In fact veterans with or without PTSD are the most responsible gun owners out there.
 
Hey Dave

You've brought up another set of very good questions. I think as a society we find it easier to pass a law after the fact than to look into the real problem and do something about that. Mental illness has and is a major problem today. There's still a terrible stigma to it. Until that changes things will probably remain the same, unfortunately.

Jar
 
Well I am sick of everyone especially the media in blaming and also hoping that mass shootings are caused by vets or conservative republicans. I am not sure why the media and our own government seems to hate and target veterans.
 
The Media is a pain. I try to keep it off. The noise is mostly negative. Hard to find just news. The media all seem to manipulated by their background agenda.
 
Hard to find just news.

That's for sure. I'd try the BBC or believe it or not the Wealth Channel news. Both are a world view and more objective than the others. Guess you have to keep in mind that it's a show and it's about ratings more than truth, what ever that may be. :rolleyes:
 
That's for sure. I'd try the BBC or believe it or not the Wealth Channel news. Both are a world view and more objective than the others. Guess you have to keep in mind that it's a show and it's about ratings more than truth, what ever that may be. :rolleyes:

You nailed it Jar. I like both of those options. Also, noticed CNN International had some stories about good things going on. I like CBS Sunday Morning again for the positive stories with a ery brief news update. The other so-called "news" outlets seem to make it feel like everything is bad.
 
I agree with Sludge, as usual. But it is difficult for someone who is incapacitated to make that right decision. The 5150 law was written not only for the safety of the caregivers but for the life of the patient with PTSD. We all know the danger we face to ourselves. If you have guns and you have PTSD, it's a good idea to have them stowed. It's too easy. I have been there.

One VA psych doctor in California was asked about PTSD being the cause of a killing in some other state, Kansas, I think. She said it's usually not PTSD but some other reason for violence on another person. But that depends on the circumstance. She feels that most cases of violence against another person by a person with PTSD can be blamed on previous history of violence or other pychological conditions -- psychosis, paranoia, etc. But others would disagree. In all cases , they do agree the likelihood of violence is the sufferer harms himself rather than another person.

If someone wants to kill himself or someone else, as discussed they could use practically anything to do it. Even a credit card has a sharp edge. A large plastic bag. Alcohol imbibition. Pills. A heart punch. Hanging. So-called "police suicide." But nothing is as quick and dirty as a gun.

As to gun control in general, I am riding the fence. I think the average person has a right to defend his home but they don't have a right to carry a weapon to a bank or the grocery store. Here in Arizona, it might as well be the Wild West. I see kids that don't look 18 carrying pistols to the friggin' grocery store.

Nor do they have a right to own a gun or weapon that will kill mulitple people quickly. A .50 cal or recoiless rifle is a bit much. And has anybody thought that a high capacity magazine will cause a jam? We had to tap the magazine on our head before we reloaded to make sure the rounds would load properly. And those were usually 15 or 20 round mags. (Now I think -- correct me -- they are 30 at military issue.) The rifles jammed for the shooters in Colorado, Oregon, and Connecticut and who knows what smaller incidents.

And I can fire a semi as fast an auto and hit the target even better. A large rubber band will turn an AR-15 semi to full auto. (Not safely I might add.)

But I still prefer a good old .45. Can't hit the shithouse but it sures lets'em know you are there.
 
I find it funny that my previous statement was taken to imply mass shootings we a PTSD/veteran thing. I made no such statement. I was referring to the high number of gun related veteran suicides those revolting media vultures love to go on and on about.

Either way, it is obvious to me that the original poster is not ready for logic, reason and sound advice on the subject just yet, as he appears to have completely ignored the important parts of the post.

Therefore i will gracefully withdraw from this particular discussion.



Oh, and Angle- don't make threats like that! I have an image to protect around here. people start respecting me and they will expect me to be able to keep it together and be like that all the time! <shudder>;)
 
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