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Use Of The Term "sufferer"

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Lala - you chose to take what you wanted from what I said as I didn't say you couldn't discuss terminology, I pointed out that if your agenda was anything other than discussion then this thread will be closed.
 
Hi Lala,

I think what might help in understanding certain things is that the forum administrators are constantly inundated with posts attempting to change forum policy. As it is obviously a full time job without having to deal with the extra demands that creates there tends to be a strong discouragement of people thinking that will occur. That doesn't mean people are prevented from processing their own feelings about something. I think it is always valuable to process how we feel and why.

Hashi I never thought of "recoverer"! I love it. I was going to say that if anything I prefer sufferer to survivor and my worst - victim!

There is a camp which supports moving away from labels in the way you describe Lala. And I understand the logic. I do also think though that we can hold onto what it means to us regardless and see a word as just a convenient descriptive term. There will always be many people who feel differently and some may see their suffering as invalidated if the terminology changed. Seriously. I have seen similar debates to this before.

My issue is that the word implies living with PTSD must always include suffering. Which I do not believe is true.
I would love to believe this true and as I said I am not fond of the word either but I actually think it is impossible for there not to be some suffering if the person meets the criteria for PTSD.

Remember too that just because we are suffering with something (which in medical terms just means it is a present condition and nothing more) it doesn't mean we are the thing. If I am suffering with flu I am not flu. I just presently have flu.
 
But I think if someone was on here they would be recovery focused enough to deserve the term even if by the skin of their teeth!
Maybe, maybe not. Some come here to argue, some to feel like they fit in somewhere etc.... Recover means 'getting over, improving,heal etc'... I could rattle off a list of names of members who still frequent here after many years having made no obvious improvement, their only claim being they turned up. That to me says they want to get better (hopefully) but does not mean they are in the path to recovery due to simply signing into a website.
 
Sadly, Nicolette, I agree with you. Especially bearing in mind that a supporter might be posting about someone who isn't even a forum member themselves and might not be taking any steps towards recovery. I chose the word recover because that seems to be in line with a fairly widely accepted goal for those with PTSD - getting better with the possibility of relapse, like being a recovering alcoholic - but at the same time it's compatible with the idea of a complete recovery.

To be nitpicky with my own wording (not towards anyone else!) I'd still "like" it. I'd like to think everyone was moving towards recovery. Which I accept may not be the case.

For some time into my healing journey I found the word survivor very problematic. I didn't feel I had survived trauma, I had only suppressed it. Working on healing has been the struggle for survival. I feel more like a survivor now, that I've earned that term. Earlier, I felt it didn't apply to me and didn't validate what I was going through to heal. I prefer it to victim, though. I prefer almost anything to victim. To me, that is always referring the person back to their state at the time of trauma, instead of the present situation.

I think where the person aspect gets lost in terminology is usually when an adjective is used as a noun, like the examples of schizophrenic and quadraplegic. I think sufferer is a "person word", as much as teacher or guitar player are. To me, the person is there because it's a noun.

I can understand the viewpoint of it possibly overly defining that person. But, like Abstract, I see sufferer as a neutral description for a condition. I think it's appropriate in the context that this is called "PTSD Forum" and centres on the condition of PTSD. If everyone outside this forum referred to me as a PTSD sufferer in all contexts, then I think that would be overly defining me by the condition. Within this forum I think it's a relevant term.

Maybe I see/experience PTSD differently from you, lala. At the moment, I always have some symptom to at least some extent. I wouldn't say I live with PTSD though. I'd say it's something I have at the moment, but I see a future point when I won't have it. Not worse days and better days, but no longer having PTSD. "Live" to me implies lifelong, which would be different.

I think just about any term or phrase is going to work for one person and not for another.

lala, thank you for posting about this. It has been really interesting to me to think about it, in terms of where I feel I am now.
 
Lala you were asked not to make an agenda of this other than ask at the Help Desk. You have continued and made it an issue in the thread where there was the initial poll and, at the time, reflected the terminology used upon this forum.

Your actions have now resulted in this and the poll being shut down as you did not continue to discuss the topic but had an agenda, now spoiling it for others.

The consequence for you is a 24 hour temp ban for failing to follow the administration request.
 
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