Veterans Second Amendment Rights

[vikingr24]

I remember an article by a California VA doctor.Someone mentioned to her about a shooter who had PTSD and killed a few people. They asked her if it was PTSD. She said, "No, it's usually something else. A vet with PTSD will more than likely harm himself first."

She meant something like schizophrenia with paranoia. Just look at some of the shooters in the US who were not vets. They are/were f*cked up mentally as in sicko. They guy that shot Chris Kyle had serious mental problems aside from PTSD.

And I agree with Jarhead about carrying. You engage with a shooter in order to stop him and you could be the one killed by the police. IF I was a cop coming onto a scene, and saw someone with gun in an incident reported as a "shooter" type scenario, I would tend to shoot first and ask later. Some cops have actually said they appreciate the help but you all have seen and felt the rush in a combat situation.

On the other hand, the idea of repeating what happened to me when a dumb $uck aims a rifle at you when you are completely unarmed with no hole to crawl in, makes me shiver.

 

[vikingr24]

Liked the Ruger too.

So many guns. So little time......

 

[Jimmy1]

In 1996 we had a nutcase kill good people in what was called 'The Port Arthur Massacre'. The then Prime Minister John Howard made some laws and offered a gun buy back scheme. Since then yes we have had gang crime, and yes we have had murders, but no massacres or mass shootings so to speak.

People still own guns, still have guns in their houses they just have to be stored properly when not in use. I have friends with all types of rifles, pistols, just no semi-automatic weapons.

I believe the U.S.A. could adopt some of the rules. Yes, you should still be able to get a permit to carry, just change it slightly. If you want to carry, make people have more qualifications. Military people should get an auto exemption from training but of course if you are off your meds and unstable, suspend it.

These are just my ideas.

You are still going to get people getting shot, but maybe it will stop little kids pulling their mothers weapons from their handbags, and stop people from walking in and buying assault rifles.

Too many innocent people in the world getting killed and it's not only terrorists doing it.

 

[Sarg]

Jimmy, I don't know if it is that things are really as bad as the media lets on. Between the TV news ( which can be very slanted depending on which station you watch) and the social networks, which are so full of bullshit, you never know what is true or not and it sounds like all hell breaking through. If you look at the actual stats on gun-related deaths, they're not as bad as everybody makes them out to be.

First, the media does not understand the difference between full-auto and semi. So, they're constantly saying that so many people were mowed down with full auto. They don't know you can fire certain sporting rifles just as fast as an AR-15. These events take place and the media goes nuts up front, but they never give you the facts after all the dust has settled. 100 people becomes four.

Plus, in the US we have some very well established anti-gun lobby's like the Brady bunch and they make a lot of noise. So, we wind up with two very polarized groups, gun and anti-gun.

What worries me is letting so many quite-possibly ISIS infiltrators into our nation and at the same time, pushing hard to disarm us. I wouldn't want to face one of those suckers with a butcher knife!

Sarg

 

[FieldArtilleryGuy]

I think sarge explained that very well jimmy, one thing I want to point out is the same groups wanting to do what you guys did jimmy don't want to do what you did. They tell Americans "all crime stopped" and "no one owns guns" they dont tell anyone the truth, and in the end that's why nothing will change. Everyone wants all or nothing and no one wants anything in the middle. We have many gun laws in place, and some of those laws are stupid, but very few are enforced. If they enforced what was in place then they would realize that the "new" laws they want to put in place aren't new just reworded copies of what we already have. Also, what is an assault weapon? This is just like WMD, it's not defined so it can be changed. That is a big problem to me.

 

[JarHed]

I'm afraid there are just no easy or simple answers. People seem to automatically resort to extreme violence to solve any problem or if they feel like someone 'dissed' them they have to do something. I don't feel so crazy compared to what I see out there.

 

[Deleted member 43454]

The right to bear arms is the last defense against Tyranny. Anyone who wants me to give up my guns or calls me crazy is a f*cking moron. They wanna pull heart strings and capitalize on the deaths of these shootings. Its all part of an agenda to disarm the populace.
Period.

That means, if you are going through some shit and you know when you are going through a rough patch. Wife left you, Girlfriend whatever, you give your weapons to someone who's responsible to keep them locked up and secure until you get the help you need. Or if you don't have that option, you sell them. Normal competent shit here. Common sense.

And WTF is this shit, over?

 

[Grizzly]

@DrBlack spot on.

 

[Grizzly]

So when we ban guns and confiscation is complete. Does all LEO and federal agents turn their weapons in too? I mean...Guns are outlawed. So why would LEO need a Firearm? Wait...The occasional jihadist. I guess we could have special task forces to respond to that. They could have tasers.

Now if for some unlucky reason me or my family becomes a victim of a violent crime who do I hold legally responsible for failure in providing me adequate protection and security? I mean we are in a PC, lawsuit happy society. Someone needs to be held accountable.

One problem is nothing gets enforced the way it needs to be. Laws exist but seldom enforced to the max penalty. Or minimum for that matter in most cases.

@Jimmy made some valid points. Me...Do I need an assault rifle or extended cap mags or... fill in the blank. Probably not. But the biggest fear is when the useless law to protect and ban is passed then some genius realizes that the law did nothing to curb violence. Another law then needs passed. Then another. Then eventually...That's it, an all out ban.

After it's all gone then what? Will it stop violent crime? Terrorism?

The other day I had realized that even knives were banned in England. People still get stabbed there! WTF!

 

[rickyfinch]

I'd love to see the poor sap come to my door to de-arm me. I conceal carry every day.
Call it two combat tours too close to each other or ptsd. However as long as I'm within my rights I will continue to carry.