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News Violence Against Women Ad - Australia

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@Anarchy

6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

By condemning this video you are in my mind saying that violence against women shouldn't be focused on because all violence is bad and we need to focus on all violence.

Why?

Everyone knows that all violence is bad. Why are you so against focusing on violence against women? Is it because you feel sidelined?
 
Is it because you feel sidelined?
Not yet, should I be?:)

Everyone knows that all violence is bad.
I don't think that is entirely true

I certainly grew up with the twisted idea that violence needed to be used. I hadn't thought of it clearly at the time but the only question was the one that Vladimir Lenin articulated, "Who, Whom?" who gets to inflict what on whom?

Look at any election campaign, and you will see the two sides advocating the initiation of violence against none violent people and victimless activities

Stereotypical mainstream conservatives would be seen advocating the initiation of force against people ingesting certain herbs, consensually exploring the contents of other adults underwear outside of certain narrowly defined circumstances, and the bombing of people in certain geographical areas.

Stereotypical mainstream liberals would be seen advocating the threat of force to take money from certain people, and also to prevent certain types of consensual business transactions from happening, and to force some none consensual transactions to happen

Neither lot will typically think of themselves as violent people, but they have no hesitation in advocating the initiation of force - and if the people they are advocating the use of force on, attempt to defend themselves, Those mainstream conservatives and liberals have no problem with that force being escalated to deadly, or in blaming the victims for "resisting"

The result of that system in the united state is over one million fe'ral regulations, each one of which can potentially be taken up to and beyond the point of lethal force to enforce its compliance. - over 1 million reasons to use violence on non violent people.

I think that acceptance of the idea that it's ok to violently coerce people does spill over into our one on one interactions, even if we sometimes use a proxy (in a blue costume) to do the dirty part.
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I realise that to someone who has been immersed in the mainstream (that's most people), it might look like I am advocating either a Mad Max type world, or a unicorns and rainbows utopia where all people are magically nice.

Far from it
Most of the positive laws on the statute books are very recent, most are within the period since 1900, and well over half of them are younger than I am.

Without getting too nerdy, there are well developed and proven legal systems which provide mutual reciprocal incentives to follow them. They're also easy to understand.

They're not very useful to kings who are looking for money, or to robbing politicians or to greedy cronies or police unions, and they do not allow for some people to force their prejudices onto other people.

but they do provide very strong effective, swift and cheap protections for all individuals against force, theft, fraud and other torts. They can also evolve extremely rapidly as conditions and technology change.

In terms of feminism, The customary pre colonial Irish "Brehon" legal system, had developed a consensual system of women's rights that was more advanced and liberal than any in the English speaking world, probably up to the 1970s


In summary, I disagree that violence is either recognised, or seen as always bad, by the vast majority of people

I also argue that that violence (and arguments for it) and its adverse impact on all of our lives has greatly increased in my lifetime,

and that that violence is not necessary (on either logical or historical grounds) to achieve an extensive and just system for protecting rights, including women's rights.
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Sorry it's long, I don't know how to explain the idea in a shorter form, that advocacy for violence is the norm in the mainstream, and that that advocacy for violence is not infact necessary.
 
Aha! I just read the other thread about entitlement and had to read this one to see where it was coming from!
I could relate to the ad too. I still remember being 17 and not knowing how to deal with the cat calls and groping. It made me so nervous
I read a teenager magazine une that advised girls to just smile and take it as a compliment and so I did that and got sarcastic comments back.
I realised I couldn't win, and I realised too that all that "flattering" attention was not coming from a good place.
I was a child just a few years before that, and now on the receiving end of adult men's total misunderstanding and disrespect of women!
where does it come from?
I think its good to highlight the abuse that comes the way of women, but I'd find it even better to uncover where it comes from and get some two way discussions happening!
 
I don't think that anyone has said that adverts against violence towards women are bad

My main point was that this particular advert is very narrow in scope, both the cast of the ad and the message,

It leaves wide open the possibility that aggressive violence could be perfectly acceptable in other areas or against individuals who are not female

My secondary quibbles are

that the violence portrayed is all shit that I've been on the receiving end of as a male (but, fair enough, if the shit that plenty of people here have experienced was portrayed, most of the population would freak out (and rightly so))

and that the funder of the advert claims to have a right to legitimately inflict aggressive violence, which possibly also explains the narrow focus.
 
My main point was that this particular advert is very narrow in scope, both the cast of the ad and the message,
True, it was. I don't know if there are other ads in the same campaign that some different aspects. There might be. I imagine they were limited in time and money and sometimes the best way to make a point is to split it up into small bites.
It leaves wide open the possibility that aggressive violence could be perfectly acceptable in other areas or against individuals who are not female
Well........maybe? But I didn't see anything that suggested the producers of the ad actually thought that.

I went out and looked at the web site too. It's pretty good. The point they seem to be trying to make is that attitudes about gender roles are learned. They are trying to make people aware that many of the things that adults say to kids teach boys that girls don't deserve their respect and they teach girls that they don't deserve to be respected. And from there, that those attitudes can lead to abusive relationships because both parties have been raised to think it's ok.
and that the funder of the advert claims to have a right to legitimately inflict aggressive violence, which possibly also explains the narrow focus.
That I don't get at all. Where do they claim that?
 
@Anarchy You are operating under the assumption that focusing on a people who are not you, means "posterchilding", means excluding you, means disregarding your horrible experience. It does not. It simply is reaching out to a particular demographic, one that needs reaching out to.
What you feel is the feeling of disenfranchisement that every single minority has to deal with every day, for example brutalized women. Please tell, are you a heterosexual white male? They tend to be the only people that have become so used to being middle and center of the world, that not being there feels excluding and hurtful and insulting to them. To everyone else its just daily life.
 
And, how many males hear "You're so cute, honey why don't you just get married?" from the person doing the hiring in a job interview?

Was the question ever answered about being afraid to go somewhere in broad daylight out of fear of sexual assault?

The point was earlier made that denigration for being female is systemic and occurs for the entire lifespan.
 
That I don't get at all. Where do they claim that?
Ok, sorry, that isn't in the ad itself
It's a government funded campaign
Government gets its money either through tax or through printing more money and using legal tender laws to force people to accept what they print in exchange for goods and services.

Both tax and legal tender laws (any and all laws) rely on a credible threat of violence against those who don't go along with them.

Without getting to far off track, but still giving a bit of background;
money is a phenomenon which emerges on the market, it not only doesn't require a government, It is actually far better maintained by competing private providers than it is by a monopoly ( a king or a government).
The name "dollar" was derived from the name of the home of a European noble (Joachim's Thaller - (Joachim's dale)) who produced a very consistently high silver content coin, which was widely respected by traders.

Just as an example of the lack of reliability of a state controlled money, the united state dollar has declined in purchasing power relative to gold from an official peg of $35 /oz up to 1971 to well over $1200/oz now (it was briefly over $1300/oz last week)

With competing providers and customer choice of who's money to use, any provider who began cutting the precious metal content or backing for their money would rapidly find that money loosing its purchasing power - and that money producer would lose its ability to bid for goods and services, and lose its credibility.

Needless to say, on an unhampered market, any one who tried to get people to accept an un backed piece of paper (which is what all present day paper currencies are), would be laughed at, it's not even a magic bean
It takes a credible threat of violence and a lot of gaslighting (and a lot of ingrained habit and gullibility) to get people to accept unbacked bits of paper as money.

anyway - that was the institution that funded the ad
 
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