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Sorry, where “over here“?
This wasn’t about the other post. You were right to delete it. I was a bit angry because I heard the argument “but what about those who are triggered by masks“ a gazillion of time and... Dunno... it makes me angry they see only one side of PTSD (triggered by masks) but not the other (triggered by pandemic). Like how my vet feels 24/7 about the pandemic doesn’t count. It only counts how people feel about having to wear a mask for ten minutes once a week.
I wrote at another board, still angry... and people said horrible things about my vet, really horrible basically that he is dangerous to be around because he is triggered by having to wait in line.
 
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So basically a lot of conservatives tend to believe if you are afraid of the coronavirus you are a coward and have bought into “leftist lies“ so to speak and you cannot love the flag. They have rallies were they protest about thing like compulsory mask wearing and have t-shirts with slogans like “if you are offended by this flag I‘ll help you pack“.
yep -- it's like that here too. I'm on some vet blogs and the people who are there can get damn scary. They are preparing --seriously-- for the civil war they believe is coming.
I asked my vet why he doesn’t discuss it with Smith. He just said I wouldn’t understand the reasons.
Funny -- This makes perfect sense and I've been trying to think of how to answer this -- and.... I can't. :laugh:
and I really think his opinion hurts my vet and wonder if I should talk with him about the fact that I think it’s not good what he is doing.
You want to talk to Smith? Oh god no. The worst thing you could possibly do is try to intervene between two vets who have different ways of thinking.
Basically I see two possibilities: 1) it’s all hollow talk and he doesn’t care about him at all or 2) he doesn’t get how my vet REALLY feels about the coronavirus
Sort of -- he doesn't care about his opinion because it is different than his. I have several vet friends like that -- we agree to disagree and leave it at that.

his wasn’t about the other post. You were right to delete it.
???? huh?
 
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This wasn’t about the other post. You were right to delete it. I was a bit angry because I heard the argument “but what about those who are triggered by masks“ a gazillion of time and... Dunno... it makes me angry they see only one side of PTSD (triggered by masks) but not the other (triggered by pandemic). Like how my vet feels 24/7 about the pandemic doesn’t count.
That other sufferer's thread was not about you, or your vet. It was a sufferer, in the appropriate area, asking for input from other sufferers who might be struggling with the same issue.

I get that it made you angry. Sufferers have the same problem sometimes, when they post in here on the supporter side. And they are told the same thing: don't project your own issues onto other peoples.

Now: @Never_falter2 - if you've got any questions about this, you can ask them via Contact Us.

Anything more brought up in threads, you'll have a temporary ban.
 
Thanks Freida ❤❤❤.

The problem is: Smith has an unfavorable opinion of those who are afraid of the coronavirus and my guy happens to be one of them... but he is actually his friends... and may vet right now, doesn’t need people to have an unfavorable opinion of him. I mean he didn’t tell my guy “you suck“ but he told them he thinks people who are afraid of corona do.
Right now they are not meeting in person but Smiths wants to. Right now they are meeting via Skype but I am afraid one day Smith will say he wants to go back to in person meetings (which vet wants too... but only when the time is right for him). I am afraid Smiths will not be okay with Skype any longer one day and that when my guy doesn’t want to go back to in person meetings that they will be no longer friends and that this will be bad for him.
 
Yep, can be a bit of a moron. Yes, indeed... but thinks he is veeeeeeeeeeeryyyyyyyy smart. Thinks all the other people are like sheeple (or sleep-sheeple as we say in our language, do you have the word?)

When I have been talking to him lately I had to bite my tongue a it so that I don’t call him names. I mean calling him names wouldn’t help my vet a bit would it... and obviously my vet can Skype with him without punching the monitor and without even getting angry at him.

I think may be bit triggered by and afraid of.
 
I think English has just sheeples, it covers naivety in a variety of respects, but I'll leave that to native speakers :p

Yeah, it may be better to not interfere with that relationship... BUT. That doesn't mean you can't be angry. Or have your own set of feelings and opinions about all of it.

Nor that it's wrong to watch out for your beloved.
You have kids with him, his dude friends don't.

And, I get it may be both. Whichever emotion it is, it's not warranting being called a coward, though. Cowardice is decision in some circumstances one needs to act differently... not for honest men protecting their own, and others, who may be bugf*ck terrified on a daily basis.

That one? Is known as courage. Honor. Loyalty. Strength.
 
Cowardice is decision in some circumstances one needs to act differently... not for honest men protecting their own, and others, who may be bugf*ck terrified on a daily basis.

That one? Is known as courage. Honor. Loyalty. Strength.
In my country a lot of people see it as lack of honor, Illoyalität, weakness. Let me explain why:

First of all: a poll showed that 87% of the population are not only in favour of mask wearing but in favour if compulsory mask wearing. However this majority is silent. Those who are opposed to masks are much louder. People get harassed for wearing one where it is not the law.

Okay - back to the discussion about cowardice. This discussion has become so emotional. This who are opposed to mask wearing think it is actually killing people.

For example they do think it hurts the economy. They think people are avoiding shops because of masks, the people loose their jobs and they commit suicide.

They say masks scare those suffering from dementia who will experience confusion and anxiety when they cannot see people faces.

They say masks lead to carbondioxide poisoning.

They think it hurts those who are hard of hearing/deaf (hohd). People who are hohd in some cases have a more difficult time understanding what an individual is saying if he is wearing a facemask. It might sound more mumbled and it robs them of the ability to read the other persons lips.
(Actually there are transparent masks, designed to make lip reading possible - however they are pretty rare)
They say the world has become a scary place for the hohd individuals because of facemasks - they are excluded from society. They become suicidal... There was press coverage about how horrible it is for them. How they suffer.

My vet is hoh, I have several relatives who are. My vet doesn’t go grocery shopping those days (because of fear of the coronavirus) but if he had to go shopping and was offered a choice between a shop where nobody was wearing a facemasks and a shop where everybody was of course he would choose the second.
Basically all my hoh relatives are in favor of the masks because of the benefits thy offer. I asked them how they think about it.

They say masks scare those who have mental health conditions because not being able to read people facial expressions scares them to death.

So they basically see very serious even deadly consequences of mask and think that those who choose to wear them or even demand compulsory mask use just because of that harmless little pandemic are cowards.

They often say “If you are afraid please hide in the cellar but let the rest of us have a normal life“... like implying there is something wrong with people who are in favor of masks, pathological cowardice, lack of love for the flag, and everybody else is hur by that.

So the message is a bit like: Cowards, see how they harm their fatherland and put those who suffer from dementia/are hoh/depend on an income from working in a shop at risk.

My vet always had a fear of being called a coward... that was the case before the pandemic...
 
He is not a coward.

Doesn't matter if the whole country calls him one; he ain't one, they're wrong (and idiots not worth a thought, even if they make themselves hard to avoid), simple as that.

Also quite sorry my neighbor country has such mess of a mentality, that isn't the case here and yeah, quite sorry for that state of things.

Keep your heads up as much as you can, you & yours. :tup: Crossing fingers for you.
 
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They often say “If you are afraid please hide in the cellar but let the rest of us have a normal life“... like implying there is something wrong with people who are in favor of masks, pathological cowardice, lack of love for the flag, and everybody else is hur by that.
Ya...there is a lot of that here too. Mask wearing has become much more about politics and less about health. And our majority is silent also. Nice to know that it's not just us. Depressing...but nice

The shame aspect is huge. First is the shame of ptsd, then the shame of not being willing to risk his family's life to keep his macho image, then the shame of being called out by his fellow vets for being afraid of a pandemic

None of it is reasonable but it makes sense.

So how do you help? I honestly don't know. I mean, that's the base of ptsd....those cognitive distortions that seem so real. Maybe you could suggest that he talk about it to his t....specific things like how does he come to terms with the way he is protecting his family makes him look like a coward to the idiots? Make it about them being idiots for calling him a coward rather than him being wrong for his choices?

I can't imagine how hard it is to stand by and watch him struggle, but these are battles you can't fight for him. :hug:
 
Thanks @Ronin and @Freida ❤❤❤

@Ronin I think it is not our whole country that has this mentality. Like I said a poll showed 87% of the population are in favour of compulsory mask wearing. I think it is safe to assume that those 87% percent do not think you are a coward for wearing one. I think that among those who are opposed to compulsory mask wearing there are still some who think that people should wear a mask but shouldn’t be forced by law. I think there must also be a number of people who just don’t care.
We were both surprised about this poll... because the people who hate masks are so vocal, hold rallies, rise their voices, tell everybody they know, write internet comments.

Its also bad that the majority of people in my vets filter bubble seem to be corona skeptics.

My vet and me both wearing face masks and mostly surgical masks. They offer you a certain protection but mostly protect others from your germs. If we were cowards we would wear N95 mask with a filter which would offer more protection to us but none to others. Yep, we have them in the house but we don’t use them. We bought them before we knew.
(BTW does somebody with medical expertise know what kind of protection a bandana offers?)

My vet is a bit OTT on how much it means to him that people appreciate him and think he ain’t a coward. I mean I don’t mind so much. If people call me a coward I am not happy but on the other hand I think it’s good to be careful. For example for me it was worse if people called me ugly.
He is also a bit OTT on how much he cares about what people think of him at all.

Currently my guy has trouble sleeping, has trouble eating and he scratches himself till it draws blood. Sorry don’t wanna spam and derail the thread.

(@Ronin If you want to tell me and have the time I would like to ask what the corona situation is like in your country but I don’t want to derail the thread and make it a corona one. Wanna come to one of my threads and tell me?)

**Oops, I didn’t wanting write only @Ronin but at both @Ronin and @Freida

***Oops again. Didn’t want to imply people who wear masks with a filter are cowards. There are good reasons to do so (for example if you are older then us)... in fact we might use them in future... for example if we are sure we don’t have Covid but are going to a place where we are relatively sure others have it
 
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Awww you, you're juust fine, seriously. :tup:

I think part of this may be coward is a differently loaded word depending who it's aimed at / addressed to...

As in in some contexts, means just a "I find you didn't face up to something very bravely"...

But to a vet?
The same line may read as "You are a f*ckup failure as a human being and professionally alike... and people die and will die. Because of it. Because of YOU."

Which really are different worlds statements.

It's the equivalent of calling a woman ugly just as a tease, not meant... and nasty men catcalling on the street to hurt her for just going about her life. Who don't even know her, yet level words as heavy ammo at her.
 
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