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What Made You Angry Today?
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This post really bothers me and I just can’t ignore it – I tried, couldn’t do it.
Someone who grew up in Germany with countless history lessons on the Third Reich and a PTSD diagnosis herself could and should be aware of the fact, that the chances are more than likely that this man grew up with parents who went both through tremendous trauma (so there is a high possibility of full-blown, untreated PTSD) and not only that but he himself grew up in the post-war confusion which is a trauma in itself and the persecution of the Jews didn’t just stop abruptly after 1945. Probably more than one of his family members spent a part of his or her life in a concentration/extermination camp or never returned. My grandparents only scratched the surface with what they were able to talk about but it was horrifying what they went through and they weren’t persecuted and “only” lived through the trauma of war itself and not persecution. My grandparents would have been different if they had the chance of living a carefree life in a safe country while they grew up and both my parents inherited some of the trauma my grandparents went through. It may seem like it’s all in the past for a long time now and doesn’t affect us anymore. I know how every student rolls his or her eyes when the Third Reich is the main topic again year after year after year in history class – I did that too but the truth is: it still does affect us in some way or another.
I find it incredibly disrespectful how you write about someone who might have been triggered and how you made it clear how you don’t care. You and I, we’re the last generation who has first-hand information from people who went through this. We and our parents weren’t born when this war happened and we are not to blame BUT we have the responsibility to be respectful and cautious what and how we give this first-hand information to the younger generation in a manner that they can not only learn the facts in school but also know some of the personal stories so they can understand how this war affects generations long after it’s over, that it was horrible not only in general but also for every living individual that is or was touched by it.
So when he has to come in again I beg you to have the courtesy of treating him with the same respect and understanding you want to be treated considering that you know what triggers and flashbacks feel like and how they can cloud your perspective in situations like these.
Again, this doesn’t make me angry. Just incredibly sad.
@Socha
I didn't mean to upset you with my post and I didn't expect such a reaction. I just think that there is a misunderstanding. I didn't treat him disrespectful. I didn't write about the complete circumstances in this thread. I will do now to explain my anger.
The guy was a suspect in a case of fraud/breach of trust. There is clear evidence that he embezzled a high amount of money (almost 5.000,- €). I invited him to come to an interrogation. I didn't know about his background. I have to deal with lots of different nations or religions every day and I treat them all with respect. They are human for me and I treat them like that. So, he came to his interrogation. I asked him about the money and what happened to it. He didn't respond directly, he told me that it's all an intrigue of these Aryans (people who reported him) because he is Jewish. I showed him the evidence and asked again and again in many different ways but he got more and more upset and told me that I discriminated him. He insulted me (killer genes, being too young to understand and and and) and acted very impolite - and whenever I returned to the case and asked questions, he said it's only because I'm Jewish. It wasn't. Any other person who would have embezzled money, would have to go through the same questioning. And when he said stuff like "Jews have atomic bombs now. They can be dropped any time", I was speechless. I continued because I didn't want it to escalate - he was also known for beating up his wife badly. There was no connection between the money and his background - so I was mad because he "used" his background to blame the other persons.
It just made me angry that he says on the one hand "I wanted to open that club to all people - Jews, migrants..." and on the other hand he discriminates "Aryans" (German people) as inheritors of murderer's genes. That attitude made me angry.
I know that Jews went through lots of trouble - I read about Drittes Reich even now and collect the historical data. I just was so mad about him, how he used the opportunity of discrimination for his own goods. I treated him polite, let him talk, answered but I don't have to accept to be insulted like that. He discriminated me for being a German - and that doesn't fit with his other sentences. He was just so focused on being discriminated as a Jewish person that all arguments didn't count. That lack of insight made me angry.
I hope I could explain my anger a bit better. It's not like I don't care about history - I just have a problem when it's used like that.
I didn't mean to upset you with my post and I didn't expect such a reaction. I just think that there is a misunderstanding. I didn't treat him disrespectful. I didn't write about the complete circumstances in this thread. I will do now to explain my anger.
The guy was a suspect in a case of fraud/breach of trust. There is clear evidence that he embezzled a high amount of money (almost 5.000,- €). I invited him to come to an interrogation. I didn't know about his background. I have to deal with lots of different nations or religions every day and I treat them all with respect. They are human for me and I treat them like that. So, he came to his interrogation. I asked him about the money and what happened to it. He didn't respond directly, he told me that it's all an intrigue of these Aryans (people who reported him) because he is Jewish. I showed him the evidence and asked again and again in many different ways but he got more and more upset and told me that I discriminated him. He insulted me (killer genes, being too young to understand and and and) and acted very impolite - and whenever I returned to the case and asked questions, he said it's only because I'm Jewish. It wasn't. Any other person who would have embezzled money, would have to go through the same questioning. And when he said stuff like "Jews have atomic bombs now. They can be dropped any time", I was speechless. I continued because I didn't want it to escalate - he was also known for beating up his wife badly. There was no connection between the money and his background - so I was mad because he "used" his background to blame the other persons.
It just made me angry that he says on the one hand "I wanted to open that club to all people - Jews, migrants..." and on the other hand he discriminates "Aryans" (German people) as inheritors of murderer's genes. That attitude made me angry.
I know that Jews went through lots of trouble - I read about Drittes Reich even now and collect the historical data. I just was so mad about him, how he used the opportunity of discrimination for his own goods. I treated him polite, let him talk, answered but I don't have to accept to be insulted like that. He discriminated me for being a German - and that doesn't fit with his other sentences. He was just so focused on being discriminated as a Jewish person that all arguments didn't count. That lack of insight made me angry.
I hope I could explain my anger a bit better. It's not like I don't care about history - I just have a problem when it's used like that.
Recovery4Me
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Just fyi... I did not share this point quoted above within your compassionate post.:hug: However, part of my family fled Germany and we knew personally Jewish survivors from concentration camps...long, long ago. So although I am not a fellow countryman...I share within the story and first hand history.
I have found, I trigger sometimes on the anger thread but it is from my own baggage most of the time. I just saw a picture reminiscent of that period and lost a tad of grounding. jmho
@Anrish , thanks for the healing hugs as I can use all I can get! The migraine lasted 5 days and put me down and out yesterday! Almost went to the ER ... I'm guardedly optimistic that I'm on the road to recovery, YAY! Or should I say Atleast to no more headaches for a while! Sending :hug:'s back your way. ♡
I was reasonably happy today, but then the post came, it was a letter from the solicitor who is contesting my late wife's will for me.
He sent me a copy of it, (at last) and I read it, I just can't believe she did that to me! Her family did a great job of turning her against me in the last few days of her life!
They are so evil I can't believe it, after all these years, I'm so upset now, that I've just finished my usual face time with my sister, now I'm going to take one of my knockout pills, and go to bed, I feel totally devastated over this, that I feel physically sick
He sent me a copy of it, (at last) and I read it, I just can't believe she did that to me! Her family did a great job of turning her against me in the last few days of her life!
They are so evil I can't believe it, after all these years, I'm so upset now, that I've just finished my usual face time with my sister, now I'm going to take one of my knockout pills, and go to bed, I feel totally devastated over this, that I feel physically sick
Heather
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People justifying modeling poor behavior in front of their kids as acceptable.
@RavenGirl Sorry to hear that your pain is back...*sending you healing hugs and a herbal tea* :hug:
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