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Who Would I Be If I Gave Up Lying?

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So it is good to really understand where this all comes from, and it really has shifted in a significant way recently. I stopped being so complicit, and namby pamby about things. I am speaking up. I am saying how it is, and I am being very brave. I challenged two students and they really lifted their game. People were telling lies and rewriting history, and I refused to agree. I refused to agree to another set of lies as well. And I get why people target me sometimes - because I am very naive in the ways of people in some big ways. But overall I am improving on this all out of sight. I don't have to lie to make other people happy. No one can rape me now. No one can do all those things that my parents did to me anymore.
 
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Wow. It amazes me how often I pop on a thread that hits me upside the head. If you met me in person you would never know there is a problem. I'm confident, assertive, well educated and very successful. I look like I have it all. And I'm lying my ass off.

Just today my T gave me a homework assignment to write out what would happen if I told someone how I was actually feeling (instead of lying and saying "I'm fine thanks) or if I cried in front of someone (instead of bottling it up and saying "No, I'm not sad/scared/freaked out/having massive flashbacks, etc).

And look - I just happened to find a thread 10 minutes later on why people lie. :laugh: But I don't think about it as lying. I think that if I share they wouldn't be able to handle it and then I would have to take care of them. And I don't have that energy. So it's easier to fib about the dark and scary, lie about how I'm feeling, appear self-confident and assertive and go on - no matter what it costs me.

Who would I be if I told the truth? Someone who did horrible things to survive. Someone who could not be forgiven for those things or ever make up for them. Someone who has built a life around making sure no one ever knows the shame she carries for the decisions she made. Someone who can only be seen as a pathetic victim. Someone who finally cries and dissolves into a puddle - never to be seen again.

But then I read this thread and all I can feel is admiration for the people who are brave enough to face their demons and try to change the habits that once saved them but are no longer useful. People who are working to change the need to lie. People who are trying to be brave enough to risk telling the truth. And I don't know what to make of that.

Y'all make my brain hurt :confused: but maybe I can learn too!
 
Hmmm I haven't been lying recently, but I have been avoiding so as not to lie. My life is very empty and the idea of being honest about what I've been up to the last decade really bother me..I honestly don't know what to say... I know I've done things, it's more my shame about not having a "normal" life though. I think now I can talk about the things I'm getting into. New interests and opinions. Hmm.

It's a very different life seeking pple out and trying to converse instead of hiding and avoiding. I don't want to lie but I do feel being honest about trauma stuff is tmi and overwhelming... Possibly. Maybe pple are more open and understanding than I think? I'll have to figure something else out that feels true to me but not invasive. Shrug. Thing is I want to be honest but honesty about a life like mine isn't particularly welcome...
 
I am not lying. I am telling the truth. Sometimes maybe too much at times, but it is a steep learning curve. Recently dealt with one Borderline very well, another not so well, but I wasn't lying. I was saying it exactly how it was. But some people are not worth talking to, because no matter what they won't take responsibility, and they won't own their own stuff, and somehow it is always your problem, or you don't know enough to actually have a say, when they know damn well you know more than enough. Some people are intent on the intergenerational transmission of trauma, it is what it is. And they can craft beautiful and intricate manipulations and lies, and it really is a waste of time to compete or challenge it.

I have been very honest with my partner, and that is meaning we are having a challenging time together at this time, I think we are both growing from it.

It is such a relief to not have to lie. I am who I am. That is all.
 
If I stop making myself wrong, and telling bad stories to myself about how bad I am and how much to blame I am, and if I bust the lies of my distorted cognitions - then I would be a lot less gullible person.

I would be taken of advantage a lot less.
I would not be used as much.
I would not be walked all over as much.
I would not to stop myself feeling so bad about myself - try to help other people so much.
I would stop being so easy to manipulate.
I would stop being so easy to take for a ride.
I would be in the actual now and able to react, in real time, to what was going on, rather than what I am imaging my badness is making happen to me.
 
I spent my entire life trying to be honest in all the important ways. Yes I told white lies about ass-size or to get out of some mundane issue but I never lied about big things. At work, at school, relationships, I was honest to a fault. Literally. Ive actually incriminated myself at work due to the fact I couldn't lie. I also believed that others told the truth and had strong principles, ethics and a conscience.

Well here I am.


Now I don't care. I'll lie about anything. I have very few rules. I don't lie about my illness/to my T and I don't lie to kids. And so far I haven't lied here lol. But I just stopped caring. The truth means nothing. All that matters is who's telling the story. I still have strong values and ethics but know that absolutely no one knows or cares. And they mean nothing. They will get me nothing. And basically I tell people what they want to hear because that's only what most people want, and you have to be what they need you to be. If you're not than people get uncomfortable and you become as issue that needs to be addressed.

So ya. I lie. Want the truth? Earn it.
 
lying is what I did to survive abusive parents. It is also what I did to appear to be more streetwise and a person to be reckoned with when I left home basically the day I got my work permit. I used it to survive, I used it to advance, I used it to make friends and stay on their good side, I used it as a tool for getting through a day and surviving a night. And years later when I was done using the tool, I had a habit to break.

After my early experiences where lying was truly a way to stay alive (not going to get into that here but I will say that if people had known my true self they would have eaten me alive, think Walter White negotiating with Tuco Salomonica in "breaking bad") I reset my moral compass and became a student, a husband, a homeowner and a father, and worked for thirty years at becoming the best me I knew how to be.

Problem was, I had the knowledge that people lie and get lied to all day long and most just don't care anymore. Anyone that has an ability to lie and remember the lies and to know where the truth stopped and the lie began without lying to themselves in the process can use it as a tool to serve them well in social circles and in work politics. I did this, starting with absolutely no remorse and eventually getting to a place where it shamed me to remember the lies I had told during the day when I went to bed each night.

I had to reset again, this time separating out the "white lies' from the "felony lies" and creating a new habit of listening to everything I said or heard said and filtering it all for lies before opening my mouth again. For an experienced liar, it was easy to recognize a lie that was meant to entertain, or keep the peace or to just simply pass the time from the ones that were tools of manipulation. The new habit was better for my conscience and I could lay in bed knowing I was basically honest, but it was horrible for my faith in mankind and my trust of anyone that I had to rely on.

To answer the question more seriously than I did the first time I posted here-Who would I be if I gave up Lying?

A better person that eventually can't help but know that it just doesn't matter that much. I may sleep better, but I wake up with a feeling of utter hopelessness. My work is based on my skills, but being a good liar pays better. My place in society is my earned position, but it could be destroyed by a few believed lies. My hard work, my home, my family, it all is an existence hanging tenuously on the FACT that no one has decided taking it all away from me is worth the telling of a few felony level lies.

I am not advocating lying, but in my life I have become painfully aware that it is as common and has the same widespread popularity of breathing. And I do advocate breathing. Get a conscience and let it guide you, but remember that if you are swimming with sharks it is good practice to know how to recognize one and even to appear to be one if needed.
 
I got the bottom line on this the other day. If I gave up lying I wouldn't be buying people's lies and crapola. I would do reality checks. I would speak up more. I would not swallow other people's lies, I would actively walk away, instead just going with whatever bullshit that I was told today.

If I gave up lying I would emotionally leave home, and stop believing people like I believed Mum and Dad.
 
I have chosen not to believe other people's crappy lies. It has been challenging, but the outcomes are really good. Really hard, and I am more able to be here.
 
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