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[Ed Norton]

Peace be into you too Cashew that rhymes and ignore 'we may have to I don't know what the hell that is lol

 

[Ed Norton]

See 14 CFR 91.3 is REAL and ENFORCED---plus I think there maybe a few aviation enthusiasts here...

 

[Anarchy]

Cultural appropriation is theft.

agreed.

Theft or appropriation would imply that the rightful owner had been denied the use of.

In cultural terms, that would be something like forbidding (by threat of bad consequences for them if they ignored) Rastas or ultra orthodox jews or hindu sadhus from wearing dreadlocks.

That sort of thing has certainly happened, with people being punished for speaking a certain language or other indulging in other cultural activities.

A white crusty, wearing his hair in dreadlocks (however crap he looks in them) is not denying anyone in those groups who have a longer tradition of wearing dreadlocks from continuing to wear dreadlocks. Therefore, no theft or appropriation.

but, what the woman in the video is doing, is directly trying to deny dreadlocks to the crusty.

There's a passage or footnote in one of Terry Pratchett's books where he jokingly advises against trying local food specialities, on the basis that, if it was any good, and it has been around for long enough to become traditional, it would no longer be just local.

 

[Ronin]

Therefore, no theft or appropriation.

Wrong, because he has the society full of other whites who will pat him on the back for wearing 'his' dreadlocks while the filthy nigga (read: person who just happens to be black, speaking of racist stereotype, not actual care or self care) doesn't get hired for the very same, without even trying for those locks.

So he personally may not be denying others what's their, but he's a part of a group which does, and is not holding himself accountable for his behavior, or even think there may be a problem with anything.

Again: True, counting on grievances may be bit far reaching, and eye-for-eye mentality, but that disparity is present, is real, and is something that deserves lot more respect than saying 'Well, meh, whatever'.

 

[Anarchy]

:)To suggest that someone cannot wear their own hair in a certain style(however crap it looks on them:bag:), because of the prior claim of someone else.

Surely that implies that the someone else has a claim of ownership over the hair of the person who wants to wear the hairstyle?

Doesn't a claim of ownership by one person over the body of another have a name?
and doesn't that name have particularly bad connotations?

If someone doesn't want to employ a productive worker because of a friggin hair style - who loses? and who gains?

I argue that the potential employer loses out on a good potential employee by being judgemental about a frigging hairstyle
Rasta wins (because working for someone so petty would have been a pain
and the person who does employ the hard working Rasta wins, because he just employed a good worker, and the first guy didn't.

 

[Bookoffee]

I was raised in a racist household and to this day, they still are. I thought for sure my stepfather was going to kill me and a friend because she was of a different race.

To this day, I worry that I am racist because I hear the echo of all the racists comments that have been said to me growing up.

I would love to say that I am not racist but I still feel a punch of guilt when I see a person of different race and wonder if they think I hate them, fear them, or judge them.

It is difficult for me at times. I am not sure how to get over it.

I will have to come back later and read more of the comments

 

[ladee]

There was a KKK 'bookstore' in the town I grew up in.. I can see it to this day... but someone in town didn't agree, they burned it to the ground..!! I remember thinking even then... Thank God there are some people in this town who knew how wrong that whole group of people were. Yes, I grew up in that, thank God for mom who just saw people as people... I am so grateful I did not listen to the sperm donor....

 

[Ed Norton]

Nobody can say shit about my cultural appropriation..cuz nobody can stop me lol

 

[Ed Norton]

More cultural appropriation

 

[EveHarrington]

Well I'm officially confused.

What do you mean @Ed Norton ?

 

[anthony]

He has been banned from this thread for posting off-topic nonsense, so cannot respond.

 

[Anarchy]

What do you mean @Ed Norton ?

If I can make a guess - I'm confident, but can never be certain.

I introduced the tangent of "cultural appropriation", with the video of the woman who was of, errr, let's just say a very milky coffee hue, objecting to a crusty, who appeared to have even less of a coffee hue; wearing crusty dreadlocks.

That raises a whole string of questions, such as:

1. what is "culture"?
2. who is entitled to use it?
3. why are they entitled or not entitled to use it?
4. Who gets to say?
5. are we each limited to only one "culture" or can we claim bits of many "cultures" - and why?
   
6. are there time constraints, like 12 years of unopposed occupation to gain ownership via squatter's rights?
7. Would my wearing my own hair in dreadlocks, by the rivers of Babylon - in anyway interfere with, for example a Rasta wearing their hair in dreadlocks?
   
8. and, if you are using the labour of your own body and reasoning of your own mind, along with the posessions which you have created from un-owned or justly acquired* - then anyone else trying to say what you can or can't do with those - is asserting a greater claim of ownership over you, your body, your mind and your justly obtained posessions - than you have - on WTF basis?

in 1) if culture = ancestry, and the answer to 5) is many, Then Ed has claims to many "cultures" including use of Roman alphabet, Arabic numerals, study of Newtonian (but perhaps not Einsteinian - that's Jewish) mechanics...

But as far as I know, Ed does not have any Chinese or Japanese ancestry (regardless of any similarity or lack of similarity in skin, hair and eye colour).

Therefore, to a person of Chinese or Japanese "culture" Ed's hobby of making fireworks, might (or might not...) be seen as "cultural appropriation"

Ed's sharing of vids of very beautiful Japanese fireworks might also be "cultural appropriation" ;-)

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* pretty much John Locke's property theory