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Working With Body Memories

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Not the same as being empathetic. Not the same one little bit.
I understand, and thank you. This is bringing up a lot for me. "Nightmare" feeling. I'll come back to it.

I agree but I just can't do this. I assume I'm not ready yet.
What I meant was not so much that you should work on receiving the information as that it's important not to jump to conclusions when images come to us. Like with my image of a fist rammed down my throat - obviously it isn't literal, but stands for what whatever it was felt like at the time. If I take the first image that comes to me too literally, I'll be even more confused than I was already. If I stay open to the feeling that goes with that image, maybe more accurate images will come to me in time. If you aren't ready yet, it's important to honour that. I'm sorry I didn't make that clearer.
 
"As you bring awareness to your body"
This post is getting to me too, not a bad thing. I didn't realize it until just now. I have been walking around feeling disconnected all day. lol. My body is too big to bring awareness into. I started with my heart. Maybe start with a finger if that doesn't call to you, or the little tickles that happen on your face. Start small, work bigger. Slowly....so as not to overwhelm.
 
Tonight I was looking at an old journal and found some entries I'd like to share some excerpts from, because they relate to the theme of trusting what our bodies know. There may be quite a lot we do know, even when we tell ourselves we don't. I'd forgotten I was thinking about this over a year ago already.

(Moderators, in case there is any confusion about this, I'm not copying this from anywhere, it's my own journal, until now only written on paper and not published anywhere. I don't intend to share it anywhere else.)

"I can't feel any of it. Just tired and numb. Did it really happen? The lack of clear memories is tormenting me..."
[Here follow two pages of fragments of memories.]
"Revulsion, writhing... rubbery and cold. Also, I know what it would feel like to really remember. So overwhelming that I would not be able to stay in my body. I would throw up, scream, bang my head against the wall, and eventually leave my body. It would be too much to contain...
"I have terrible pain and screaming held in my neck and spine, numbness in my shoulders and back, hands that want to hide, that feel shame and horror...
"I know the hiding in the corners, under furniture, the stiffness of trying to be invisible. I know how carrying around the secret and the fear and the pain affects the body. I know what it feels like to feel too bad and too dirty to be seen, to feel unworthy even to breathe, to feel your head miles away from your feet. To jump at the slightest noise or at someone touching you from behind. For every muscle and joint to hurt, for knives and arrows of pain to split your back in two, for your gut to feel like it's carrying around a heavy stone. I know what it's like to hate yourself for needing to cry, yet to cry every night and every morning. To feel small and utterly helpless before men. To participate in normal conversation feeling as though you are rehearsing lines for a play: you are only faking normal and may be found out at any moment. To know that you are different and separate in a way you cannot define, nor can you change it. And I don't know [abuse]? Oh yes I do..."
"White hot pain, splitting me in half, shooting up to my solar plexus, electrifying the nerves up my spine to my head..."
"The last two days I have been reading Morning, Come Quickly... From page 1 I started feeling my hands were too exposed. Then the feeling of needing to get blood off my hands went into my arms and shoulders, a feeling like having snakes wriggling around in my muscles. Wanting to shake them out. Uggh...
"Numb today, numb yesterday, but boy do I want to cover my hands. I focus on the screaming inside me and just get black..."
 
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I posted that last because I was up and couldn't sleep.. now I really can't sleep. :confused: I think this subject is bringing up a lot for several of us.

I'm still muddled over how to tell the difference between your own memories and other people's, your own energy and others'... when you are quick to pick up on what is going on for others and your memories are fragmented and confused. Is it just a matter of intensity? The persistence of symptoms? (That's the generic "you", partly meaning me.)
 
My body is too big to bring awareness into. I started with my heart. Maybe start with a finger if that doesn't call to you, or the little tickles that happen on your face. Start small, work bigger. Slowly....so as not to overwhelm.
Good advice. Am going to try that myself today. I can't decide if my body is too big or too small or both at the same time. God our brains do weird things to us.
 
opening ourselves to that state of consciousness is opening ourselves to the quantum field in which the solution already exists.
Yes. As I was listening to the videos, I was thinking that sometimes I can get to this place of more spaciousness...this place where I can see/feel that even though parts of me are still stuck in experiences of abuse, I am not. I am here now, and I can help myself heal. Somehow...if I can keep from getting totally flooded by parts.
Yes, I tried that last night, and it also helped to use my hands as if pulling a long rope out of my throat, only it kept going and going and going... and a frantic voice playing in my head, "get it out, get it out, get it out..."
This sounds familiar. What is this stuff? Why the snake/rope imagery? I have issues like this...when it is really bad, I end up vomiting. I've had visions of snakes exploding out of my child body (EWWWW! and Scary!). One time, unrelated to trauma really, I did a breathing exercise. I'd had strep throat and was on antibiotics, but was still feeling all wrong. I was lying on the massage table and I visualized breathing out the "wrong" feeling. It came out as a huge snake. So so weird. I'm starting to get used to all this stuff though. I think it's energy.
That same ability to empathize, to put myself in another person's place, adds to the self doubt and confusion.
Yes. I get confused completely between empathy and energy. They are so mixed up for me. It is one of my biggest problems I think. My boundaries are all screwed up. So when I have memories/flashbacks etc. I can't for the life of me tell what the right perspective is.
I think perhaps you may be confusing the word empathising with tapping into energy. I have the psychic thing about me too and work with my minister to 'contain it', understand it, and work properly with it. Energy is a universal thing, just because we get a sense of it, does not mean we are capable of it. It is not empathic. It is tapping in.
Another person from the forum who isn't here any more talked about this kind of stuff to me. Said some people are out of control psychic/healers and act as kind of spiritual drains for others' energy. I think I'm like this. I just don't quite know what to do about it.
 
A few questions arise from this. One is are you able to come to peace with not knowing? Another is when there is no story to go along with the body memory, is it still possible to release it so it isn't affecting you so much?

Still another is, is there a way of assessing the accuracy of the stories that go along with the body memories? Is it possible, specifically, to have strong reactions indicating severe trauma while working on a memory, while being inaccurate in how we explain that reaction to ourselves?

I see this post has taken quite a different turn, but I still would like to answer your original questions. Yes, it is not a problem for me of not knowing, when the narrative never comes. I always want to know, but it is just not always possible. The body memory is the most important, and to release that is entirely possible without anything but the body memory. To the brain it does not matter, what the story is, it is us who want to know. I have had discussions about this with my therapist otherwise I would not be so definite. It is the bodily processing that does the healing. I think we can be inaccurate in explaining certain reactions, but as long as we do the release work it does not matter. I would not see a way on how to assess the accuracy of the stories.

To illustrate with below story from the online article: "The limits of talk" about Bessel vd Kolk: (it is online as a pdf, I can not insert links):

"His own EMDR practice student during the training was another clinician, who refused to tell van der Kolk anything about what he wanted to work on, except that it was “some very tough stuff between me and my dad when I was little.” Overtly hostile and uncommunicative throughout the session, the clinician kept saying that he didn’t really want to share what he was upset about. As a result, van der Kolk was totally in the dark about what was going on inside the person he was trying to “help” with the EMDR.

At the end of the session, the man looked relieved of much of his distress. “How was that?” van der Kolk asked.

“I’d never refer a patient to you,” the man barked at him.

Van der Kolk replied, “Oh, why is that?”

The man replied, “I really hated the way you dropped your fingers at the end of each movement!” “But what about your original problem?” van der Kolk asked.

“Oh, I feel I completely resolved the issue with my dad.”

This episode engaged van der Kolk’s curiosity about the role of the therapeutic relationship. “This guy didn’t trust me. We didn’t have a warm relationship. I never knew anything about what was bothering him. Yet he seemed to have processed whatever it was he needed to take care of. It drove home to me the possibility that maybe people can do excellent therapeutic work, even if they don’t like and trust you (as happens, of course, in many victims of interpersonal trauma), as long as the therapist knows how to help them “digest” the imprint of the trauma.”
 
Trying to translate body memories likely has similarities to dream interpretation.

The body thinks in symbols, comparison, or metaphors. And emphasis often comes as flooding & intense feelings.

So trying to understand from a detached thinking mind point of view, can be initially very confusing and overwhelming.

Add on a personal history of dissociation and trauma, that can make things even more challenging.

So maybe treating the body like a 'new relationship' might make things easier?

Like a first date, it's about simply meeting, warming up to each other, introducing the mind, feeling each other out, developing familiarity and trust.

As the friendship and relationship develops, then there is getting to know each other, deeper communication, intimacy, working together, sharing needs, etc.

Going too fast or too deep, often is counter-productive. It takes time to develop trust and familiarity.

As trust and familiarity is developed, then there's natural feelings of safety and predictability. Then with that relationship foundation, it will be easier to work with and integrate body memories.
 
Maybe start with a finger
I tried to do this today, but all I noticed was pain. Not strong pain, a mild bone/joint pain. I then realised that this is what I always feel when listening into part of my body, that is, aches and pains. Is this normal? What do other people feel.

FYI - I have no memories of violent trauma and I don't expect that any ever happened.
 
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