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Ava, please read some of my earlier comments in this thread to get a better understanding of where I am coming from. If you don't recognize what I'm describing, it's not your fault, you've probably never seen it from that direction before.

It would also help you to take a few hours (perhaps on your commute) to listen to the audio book of de la Boetie's Discourse. I posted links to the audio files in one of those previous posts. Seriously, I recommend it.

Just for info, I really am an anarchist

an - without
archos - rulers

Do not expect your mainstream to have explained anything about anarchist theory and practice to you - Think of it in terms of what a mainstream media and education system owned, regulated and run by turkeys - might tell you about thanksgiving and cranberries.
 
Hi Eve,
a world in which some people are given power (and impunity) over other peoples lives and other people's money and posessions
and are somehow expected not to be swayed or corrupted either by their own selfish desires, or by the selfish desires of others, is a hopelessly utopian world.

Recognizing the folly of that world, and wanting all to be equally subject to legal censure for any initiation of aggression or fraud against others - is hardly utopian. It has been done and in places, it still is.
 
Ok regardless throw out the word "utopian" because you miss my point.

I personally see her reply based on the reality of what IS not what is ideal or what she wants it to be.
 
It's the extremely narrow perception of what the even narrower mainstream (check out the ownership of your mainstream media - it is extremely narrow) claims to be "what is"

like my silly example of a mainstream owned regulated and run by turkeys, and its approach to the ideas of thanksgiving and cranberries - there's a huge lot of stuff that they will never tell you about

and if you ask about it, they'll scare you off with bull about how lunatic and dangerous such thoughts are for you.

Take media debates about economics.
You might if you are lucky get Milton Friedman and Frederic Hayek offered as the lunatic extreme - when Milton was a consevative and Hayek a mild social democrat - and both ultimately conceed a lot of the current mainstream ideas and policy prescriptions.

What you won't get is Milton's son David Friedman (Chicago school), or the likes of Mises or Rothbard or virtually any of the other more recent Austrian school economists.
Mises was a classical Liberal, David Friedman, Rothbard and most of the current Austrian economists are anarchists - and the mainstream won't even mention them.
 
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I don't particularly enjoy discussion styles that dissect the meaning of a particular word in a semantics game of sorts. Just not my cup of tea. Maybe someone else will come along for you to debate.
 
I seriously need to bow out of this thread because I prefer to live a grounded life based in the reality of what is as I don't wish to spike my own paranoia with stories of the boogie man who may or may not be out to get me.

I'm not stupid, contrary to what some may think of me as I say this-----however, I don't wish to be filling my head about how the big bad man is conspiring against me and so on.

I joined in this thread discussion to talk about the realities of what's going on with Trump, nothing more.

Munsch much? LOL.
 
I agree that Trump is just one man. He is not the problem, but the symptom of deeper problems in our country. Donald Trump is not rising to power because 300 million people let him. It's more like 10-15 million who are voting for him and a least twice as many who are doing what they can to try to top those 10-15 million.

I'm a small "l" libertarian, so I believe in the smallest government possible. Everyone running is much more of populists than I am. Except for a few third party options who also believe in smaller government. (Oh yeah, republicans don't really believe in small government even thought they try to claim they do.)

But the libertarians will never win the presidency. Why? Humans want POWER. The majority of people tend not to vote to divest themselves of power, even representative power.

I have studied why people joined or did not stop the Nazi's Holocaust Europe or Communist genocides in Asia. It's something that baffles me. As you can see, if someone tries to put a madman in power over me, in my personal life or by national governance, and I personally will risk my life to stop them. But, for those who have been in situation much more serious than what we are facing right now, it's not as simple to say they "let" Hilter or other madmen and their supporters etc do what they did. People want to live. When someone comes to your door and says follow my rules or die, people follow those rules... There are also a lot of other complex reasons why people did not stop Hilter and there are many who became involved in the effort to stop him and those who supported him.

They paid for it with their lives.

America is quite the experiment. We are the longest representative democracy around. What we are watching is that people want to have power. Control. Someone to come in and fix this mess. They don't want to be the ones who do it.

America was founded on the idea that WE the people are responsible for our governance. WE have the power and responsibility. We lose that idea and we end up with a Trump.

The two party system is a system of revenge. It will destroy or country. We are watching it happen.

One of the solutions to the Trump phenomenon is for people to realize WE do have power. Everyone one of us. Together we can fix the problems we are facing and we don't need a Trump to do it for us. Or Bernie or Cruz or Clinton or... any of them. (ah, now I have offended everyone.) I honestly get frustrated when people begin to act helpless because yes, what we are up against is serious but the minute we start to say, I only have my vote... we lose. We lose.

I feel helpless too but I refuse to give up. I am a voter. I am even more a person with a voice.

At the convention I was talking to the state party chair about an issue with the vote. It was a very respectful and interesting conversation. The state party chair is a very famous guy in politics but I was not star struck at all. (I generally don't get star struck.) I asked him my questions and he explained his perspective. While I disagreed, he did take the time to talk through the matter with me, and he actually changed a decision he made. A senator and his aide were nearby. The aide asked me, "who even are you to be so bold?"

I looked at him and I said, "I'm a voter. Your boss works for me." I felt half obnxious, but in that moment, I was thinking of all the voters I was there to represent. The aide stammered and then said "yeah, you are right."

I wish all Americans would realize voting is hiring who you want to represent you, and right now those options stink because the two party system stinks, but the two party system is there because that's what the voters are picking.

We are hiring the leaders we have. We have power. We need to take it back from the people we have been giving it to and say enough.

The desire to take back power is a little of what is fueling Trump. I have talked to many Trump supporters who AGREE he is an "a__hole" but are so pissed at the GOP they are voting for him as a big F U to the GOP. I have talked to many Trump supporters who want to take back power, and think Trump will take it back for them... rather than taking back their power themselves.

As for Mr Trump himself. He may or may not end up with the nomination. Many people are using most of the peaceful power we have right now to try to stop that from happening. And many are organizing with violent options too.

Trump will not become president because 300 million simply let him. It will be because he had just a little more power than the millions who have been trying to stop him.
 
Things that are hilarious in terrible ways: Bernie supporters are outraged that Hilary will probably get the nomination, so they're swearing to vote for Trump to spite her because they can't stand to have her as president and would rather have Trump for some reason. Salon is leading the charge with articles saying that we need to take a second look at Trump's foreign policy as being more solid than anybody else's.

The reasoning is that: Benie is the only real candidate, everybody else is as bad as Trump, so you might as well vote for Trump if you can't have Bernie.

So in case anybody was hoping Trump didn't have a real swipe at the White House, there's that.
 
Hi @Anarchy, thanks for making me terrible because...

That is your reaction,

Why you have that reaction and how it works is something to bring up with a therapist.

I'm trying to remember the title of a thread started by Anthony, which deals with inter personal boundary issues in a way that you might find helpful.

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