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I have a question for you if you dont mind, its a question you would ask a math teacher anonymously kind of question.

I have a kid that was naturally gifted in math but has failed it every year for a while because the teachers made it boring. I keep trying to tell him its the part of the brain that develops from learning math thats important, but he argues math is obsolete from a practical standpoint...like since he doesnt want to be an architecht or a physics major he can get a computer to handle it for him. What do you tell a kid thats smarter than you are to get him off that point? he's 16.

If you dont want to answer that, no worries!.....I realize you're not on the job here. :)
 
Oh, I so relate to your son!

When I took algebra, I had a hard time. Algebra is the first abstract math course, and many young fellows in their pre- or early teens are just not mature enough, yet, to handle it.

I remember, one night, crying in frustration because I couldn't get all the problems done. And, worse, I knew that, the next day, my teacher would begin lecturing on new material, even though I was still having trouble with what we were working on. I asked my parents in frustration, why they were making me take these math courses, as we 'knew' I would never enter a math-related field?!

And, sure enough, as soon as I could get away with it, after geometry I dropped out of math.

Until first year college! I ran across independent study math courses and thought it cool to be able to study math my way. And I did. I took the courses at twice the normal speed and aced every one of them. And I loved it - until I transferred to another university where they didn't have any independent math courses. Then, I went back to hum-drum math and C grades.

In my thirties, I got talked into teaching a high school algebra course. I'd never taught professionally - didn't even have a credential! But, from the moment I started teaching, I loved it. It was as easy as falling off a log.

Now I am a math teacher, back in graduate school, working on an MA in math. Who would have ever guessed?

Please share the above story with your son and tell him two things:

1. Arithmetic is not 'really' math. Math is far more abstract. If he gets high enough in coursework, he will find that 'real math' (which generally doesn't even use numbers much!) is challenging and fascinating. He might love it. Only thing is, he will need to master arithmetic, algebra, etc., to get there. But it's worth the climb!

2. At his age, given that he is not sure what he will do for a living yet, the trick is to take all of the classes/subjects that he is good at so as to build a 'toolbox' of skills. If he does this then, when he is older and has need of a particular skill set to claim the profession he desires, he will have it. So, just as a man, when moving into his first new home, goes to the hardware store and buys a hammer, saw, skill saw, screwdrivers, etc., so he will be ready for whatever his needs are down the line as a new homeowner, a young man goes to school and 'buys' his math, English, Science, etc., 'tools' for his scholastic toolbox. Some day, he will want to do something important, and who knows which skills he will need? Best to build his scholastic toolbox now!

In brief, if he is talented in math, he should take as many courses as are available to him.

Ben
 
Thank you! I will share that with him, maybe have him look up some of what comes after the algebra to prove the light at the end of the tunnel.

He really was gifted. When he was 10 he hooked up my new pc and set up the code word, when I went to get it repaired the pc guy asked for the code, I realized I hadnt gotten it from my son, so I got him out of the car and brought him into the shop.

He then proceeded to rattle off about 29 random letter and number sequences. They thought he was kidding and didnt type it in. He said he wasnt and did it again, sure enough thats the code. One glance at your credit card from that kid and you'll need to order new one

. I hate to see him get bored and forget about the toolbox concept for his future. Thanks again.
 
...the teacher made it boring on purpose because he hates kids.

<Chuckle> Sounds like a teenager.

You know, he's right. Pre-algebra is boring and, worse, in just a year he will be allowed to use all sorts of fancy calculators to do all that work, so I see his point.
It's just one of those stages he's got to go through.

It all gets more interesting after geometry. When he hits trig, he'll start seeing stuff he's never seen before. And, Calculus will blow him away. Good stuff! And this is all long long before he will get to the really good abstract stuff I mentioned.

Ben
 
I often hear people say "I hate Maths, I'm no good with numbers".

Truth is, Maths is NOT actually about 'numbers' per se but rather it is about the exploration of complex abstract relationships.


See these definitions:

Mathematics is the manipulation of the meaningless symbols of a first-order language according to explicit, syntactical rules.

Mathematics is the classification and study of all possible patterns.[11] Walter Warwick Sawyer, 1955

Mathematics is a broad-ranging field of study in which the properties and interactions of idealized objects are examined. Wolfram MathWorld

The study of the measurement, properties, and relationships of quantities and sets,...

The science of structure, order, and relation that has evolved from elemental practices of counting, measuring, and describing the shapes of objects.[12] Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2006


Imo, the vast majority of people in our society(b/c of the rote bullshit style of learning) do NOT even know what Maths actually is....though they have "studied" it.

Very SAD.
 
@coco9

A famous Maths PhD wrote this to address what is happening to your son.

https://www.maa.org/external_archive/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf

he left the Uni. and his Prof. status to teach Maths to kids b/c it made him sick to see how kids were being turned-off of Maths as a result of rote bullshit teaching.

I'll bet that if your son knew how AWESOME real Maths is........his mind would be electrified!!!!:geek::bookworm::geek::joyful::joyful::joyful::joyful:
 
Just reread this thread. Do you know, I listed myself has having both PTSD and DID when, technically, I no longer have those diagnoses? They were dropped two years ago and replaced with plain 'anxiety'.

I'd say this was a typo, but I really wonder if it was a Freudian Slip, meaning that I suspect I still have remnants of both disorders. Sort of suppressed or repressed knowledge.

Ben
 
Hi, @BuckarooBanzai - belated welcome to the forum!

I have seen some of your posts popping up on site - I look forward to hearing more from you!

My husband is *undiagnosed* complex-PTSD with dissociation - we have resisted any official diagnosis, and we have vigorously pursued his healing in more "natural" methods over the years .. mostly within the framework of our own relationship which has involved lots of communication, openness, independent research, unconditional love, and lots of patience and creativity. :)

I would love to know more of your story as you feel comfortable to share!

~WU
 
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