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This is a little longer than intended, but I'm sharing the real. I'm looking for and appreciate any supportive, directive and/or constructive feedback about what I've experienced with my sufferer...thank you.

Background:

We are both very different people, fundamentally. We've been together for the past 3 years (since late 2013). She was living with her father (abuser) when we first met. I quickly let her move in with me because I felt that she needed to get out of there, and within a few months we were pregnant (which she told me officially 5 months later). We have a gorgeous baby girl and she is what is most important. Baby Girl was born end of the summer 2014. We moved into a new house in the the beginning of 2015. Around middle of 2015 she stopped coming home as much, and spent a lot of time at her mother's new apartment (recently divorced abuser*), and she moved out by Oct 2015. Nov 2015 through Jan 2016 was absolute hell. I will spare the details, but went through a lot. Somehow we kinda found each other again by Feb 2016. Feb 2016 through a couple day ago, I was under the impression we were working to be in a relationship again, and trying to be a family with our daughter. Also under the impression we were both learning and benefiting from the communication in couples therapy**.

She would often go on these "family trips" and there was always a lot of conflict, and a lot of mean things being said on both sides. Some of these trips seemed more secretive than others, but always conflict. I'm very cerebral, so logically, and from what I have learned about PTSD sufferers (which also led me to BPD***), and as supported by the people I trust the most; I understood there was the likelihood she was seeing someone else. I asked her when intimacy and sex issues are the main topics and she always said no, and I never had any hard evidence, so I always defended her in the end. From June 2014 through now she has been seeing someone else in another state. She blocked me from her social medias and has been living what I would call a double life, and what she describes as a "dream" in a relationship with this other guy. I feel better knowing, and after writing this. I don't hate her, and am trying to be the best father as possible for our daughter. I'm trying to have mercy and guide her down a better path.

*For me this is a major difference from when I first met her.
**Therapist asked us straight-up if we were seeing someone else, and said it wouldn't work if we were.
***Read a book that said it's easier to have sex with strangers because of less emotional depth.

7 Key Issues/Problems:

1. I love her. I made a commitment to her to parent our daughter the right ways. I also made a commitment to myself when I learned that abandonment issues are likely influencer for withdrawing and that no matter what she throws at me to not abandon her.

2. I'm feel like her "target of blame". She is an internal processor and does not outwardly take responsibility for her actions or what she says. For me I feel I get a lot of projection, lying and talking in circles to avoid accountability. She really tried to cut me down, and I have had to learn ways to stay mentally strong because it's exhausting. I am able to accept responsibility for the inexcusable things I've brought to the table, and try to be better everyday. It's a two way thing for me, she's told me I'm like 90% to blame for why we aren't together? On the flip side, I do think she likes me on some level, as I feel like the secret relationship. I'd also say we're likely co-dependent. Honesty.

3. I lust for her. I'm very attracted to her, she's absolutely beautiful, and I want to have sex with her. We've had to make our sex life less emotionally heavy. She always talks about how long it takes to get in the mood, says it hurts, and makes excuses for what seems like a chore and will usually get me out of the mood too. Lastly, she told me that sometimes she counts during sex, so that makes I'm curious if that's perhaps a clue to her trauma being sexually related? Also she admitted to having sex with the other guy.

4. She makes her PTSD a boundary for me and seems to minimize it as much as possible. Again, from what I've learned a sufferer needs to want treatment to get it. She has repeatedly said she doesn't like her therapist, and doesn't go as often as she used to. Hard to accept when I've experienced and am forced to accept certain patterns of behavior and decision making. I understand someone else has been getting the positives.

5. I don't understand how she could risk everything like this. She is definitely more risk-oriented than I am, and to me I see that she's literately risked everything related to our family in the fashion that she has. Hard not to feel disappointed.

6. I don't understand the lying, and I don't know how to believe her right now. She promised me she's done with that guy, but I'm still blocked and he still has pictures up with her still after I told him about our relationship. So nothing really to go off of.

7. Trying to be a positive influence and guide her toward changing for the better, whether thats with me or not. I asked her to do some soul searching and she's neglected other responsibilities because of "her world crashing down". At the end of the day I have to listen to her, and try to make the best plans for our daughter.

That's all I got for now...and thank you for any quality feedback.
 
She always talks about how long it takes to get in the mood, says it hurts, and makes excuses for what seems like a chore and will usually get me out of the mood too.

That seems like a pretty huge red flag not to pursue the moment... :confused:
 
It's usually after the fact but I agree hence why I'm usually no longer in the mood. I've made a lot of efforts to make sex less of a priority.
 
Just my take....I do not think PTSD is an "excuse" for cheating....she has been cheating on you a long time. If PTSD not involved would you "tolerate" that....it seems like it is a long term thing, not a one time fling....that is a lot of lying and lots of trust issues. I can tell that you care for her a lot and want a family with your child....think about what is best for you and your child though....some things cannot just be blamed on PTSD.
 
Most of us do not have borderline personality disorder. I am honestly seeing hardly anything in your post that points to PTSD and a lot that points to borderline. The thing is that when it's JUST PTSD, it's isolation that falls in a predictable pattern. The sufferer either isolates completely from everyone, or isolated selectively i.e. from a partner but less stressful people get to "stay". All of the stuff she's doing is just downright cruel. Cheating on you, leading a double life, and potentially exposing you to disease without your knowledge. If it was just PTSD I'd say it was "workable" IF she was in treatment. But given that it's a whole lotta untreated personality disorder, I say it's best to move on. I think that maybe it's your codependent personality that is the reason why you were attracted to her borderline personality in the first place. It's a recipe for disaster. JMHO.
 
Here's the rub... You can't "guide" her to do anything. We can't help our sufferers with their mental health. That's something we all have to come to terms with. There's not one thing you can say or do, not one book you could read, or not one excuse you could make that will help her mental health.

I love somebody with PTSD very much also, and one thing I know is that you cannot go looking for reasons and answers for something that is going on in their heads. You can't excuse crap treatment because they have PTSD. That is a recipe for instant doormat. Being a martyr for love isn't romantic, it's codependent and unhealthy.
 
Here's the rub... You can't "guide" her to do anything. We can't help our sufferers with their menta...

At the end of the day at the minimum I have to be a leader and guide her to being the best possible co-parent for our daughter.

I'm not saying all of her behavior is a result of PTSD and therefore excusable. I'm sorry if it came off that way.


I read this once and it stuck with me and is maybe a good explaination for how I'm trying to process all of this...

"To look beyond the behavior, to see the innocence in other people is not about accepting, ignoring, or advocating violence or any other deviant behavior. It is about learning to be less bothered by the actions of people.

Seeing the innocence is a powerful tool for transformation that means that when someone is acting in a way that we don’t like, the best strategy for dealing with that person is to distance ourselves from the behavior., to “look beyond it,” so that we can see the innocence in where the behavior is coming from. Very often, this slight shift in our thinking immediately puts us into a state of compassion."
 
Most of us do not have borderline personality disorder. I am honestly seeing hardly anything in y...

She will withdraw into isolation and selects who stays and when they can stay. She definitely has PTSD and is diagnosed my guess is when you add a high conflict scenario like family court it could be similar to BPD just my brain making a disparate connection which I'm good at, and there are connections.
 
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At the end of the day at the minimum I have to be a leader and guide her to being the best possible co-parent for our daughter

You can't do that either... It sucks but it's true.

Firstly, she's in the wind. Your child's mother has a mental illness. If she is unstable or not being a good mom, the only thing you can do is step up your parenting game and be there to pick up the slack.

Secondly, even if she was perfectly healthy, you can't guide anybody to do anything unless they want to be guided. She isn't a child. She's going to do what she wants to do.

This is reality for partners who are dealing with a loved one's PTSD. It's hard to be totally powerless, but you have to accept that you are.
 
Just my take....I do not think PTSD is an "excuse" for cheating....she has been cheating on you a long tim...

I don't believe cheating and all the lying is PTSD. I think a lot of the blaming, hiding and trust issues could be related. I also have to monitor how I respond and react to her because she has PTSD, whether I will tolerate a behavior or not. She's very sensitive to tone, body language and emotion. She also seems to take negatives to the extremes very quickly. I don't know how to best confront the real and serious sometimes negative realities of life because of how she may interpret or react. She's disappeared to where I didn't see her for 30 days before because of an arguement.
 
You can't do that either... It sucks but it's true.

Firstly, she's in the wind. Your child's mothe...

I understand she is in the wind, and is going to do what she wants to do. I don't think she completely knows what she wants. But yes it's about accepting influence and stubbornness requires patiences as I've learned. Should prolly do more research on codependency.
 
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