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Therapist Disclosure--what Works And Why?

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I've been in therapy now for just about 1.5 years with a therapist I think is truly wonderful in so many ways (patient, supportive, compassionate...), but I continue to struggle with what is her pretty staunch commitment to non-disclosure. I have an interpersonal/childhood trauma background that includes sexual trauma, and I find that the fact she won't talk about herself--basic biographical details, like how many kids she has, or whether she relates to things I talk about once in a while (even really innocuous/basic things, not necessarily traumatic things)--frightens me. My brain is wired to perceive secrets=something to hide, and I experience her non-disclosure approach as dangerous...ie, who is she really? how will she hurt me in the end? why am I such a fool to keep going back? I know these thoughts aren't "logical" per se, and I also understand--as she's explained to me--that not talking about herself is her way of making space for any and all my feelings etc to have the opportunity to come out. But though I've been more honest with her than I could ever have imagined, and though I am very attached (and struggling through painful attachment issues), I find I inevitably keep hitting this wall and ultimately hold back in some ways because of it. Can anyone relate? Any advice? I've been working on communicating this with her and we've had some productive conversations, but I also worry that at a certain point I won't be able to hang on if she doesn't shift some of her approach (which of course is her call, not mine...I just know what I am experiencing....but it'd also hurt me terribly to lose her)
 
Thats difficult. It does feel as though there is a huge power imbalance when one person shares extremely vulnerable information, and the other (the therapist) share little. I can understand your discomfort with that and believe it is justified.
On the other hand, I understand why therapy is structured that way, it isn't meant to be a friendship or equal, which can be scary in a way.
My therapist would let little details drop, he felt it was OK to have some transparence as a way of relating, and for some Ts this is OK. Your T seems very rigid, and I don't quite see a need for that, though I suppose she has her reasons.
THe only advice I can think of is to accept your own feelings around this, to notice if it is a need for you to have a little personal sharing, and to keep discussing with your T. If this is holding you back, then its important to acknowledge and and respect your own timing around sharing more when it feels right for you
 
A tough one. I have had the opposite problem with 2 therapists now where they disclose so much that I then feel I cannot talk to them. I am sure that there is a happy medium. really the therapist may not be the match for you and time to move to a new one who can give you that balance.
 
I get it. I simply cannot open up to strangers, and that's who they are when they hide everything. When I explained that to mine, she invited me to ask her questions, with the right of refusal. It helps when she shares and knowing we have many things in common. I would probably be stuck otherwise.

Have you told her how you feel about the "blank slate" approach?
 
Do you see value in her offering you consistency and reliability? You know that however hard you push her she will stick to the boundary she has set. I could imagine that being useful if you had a chaotic childhood.

My approach to this is very different from yours. I've never wanted to know about my therapists life. I can imagine feeling unable to talk about things that might have a personal meaning for them if I knew any details.
 
I have had the opposite problem with 2 therapists now where they disclose so much that I then feel I cannot talk to them.

Exactly this had happened to me with my first psychologist. She shared with me certain information about her during the first sessions and it turned out that was the one thing that simply couldn't have stopped bothering me till the very end of our sessions, which I had to end eventually.

Based on that I am sort of frightened of any information my new therapist could possibly share. I also wouldn't ask her anything as I am very sensitive and if she would answer to any of my possible questions that she wouldn't share that with me I would be really hurt. So I ask her nothing.
But I prefer her not sharing anything, I feel so vulnerable that I can find anything to be disturbing at the moment.
 
You all are so great--thank you for the quick and honest and thoughtful responses. My reaction to her "blank slate" is to get stuck, and also to get feelings of despair and sadness--ie, she can't/won't change or fix this, and I need her to or feel I will lose her/disconnect completely. We've had some very rich discussions about it and though the door is open on my asking her personal questions (with her either answering or not), I have expressed to her that's not what I want either, to be put in some sort of interview situation with her, where again she retains all the power and I get to learn if I've been accepted or rejected.

I think what I'm looking for is what you describe, @Hope69, where she takes some opportunities to just signal to me that she's a real person, identifying areas where we connect or relate. This way she can choose--but she actively lets me see that she's real and not secretive. I don't need her to have a trauma history herself, or to share the details of it with me (and I so see the dangers of the other side, an over-sharing therapist--truly!) but I need her to show me she is also not "hiding". Choosing not to say something like, "My kid is in college" or "I like to go for walks when I get anxious"...feels like she's making a mountain out of a molehill, you know? Why not disclose these little things? Why not be more of a person? The answer I always end up with is because she's not who I wish or need or think she is--that instead there's someone behind there who doesn't really care, or who doesn't like or trust me, or who is repulsed by me....any of those things. All thoughts--I know--that are informed by my history. But that's also why I think I need her to push a bit further here. She wants me to be able to express feelings of rage and repulsion--but I hold back.

I think too the point about her consistency with boundaries is so important--and I don't want to downplay that and I try to remind myself all the time. For sure I need stability, need her to consistently be there, be reliable (and in all other ways I can see how this helps me). But on this issue it's more of a wall. Anyway--again--you all are so generous. Thank you. This is really a hard one for me.
 
I understand it is a hard thing for you.
It would be the best to try to discuss it with your therapist. As you think she is the right match for you since you said it would hurt you so much to lose her, then you and she should find some solution for this.
Just be honest with her, that's the most important and tell her why you are not comfortable simply asking her questions and why you need her to show you a bit more that she is a real human being.
We are all different and what is really important for somebody also could be triggering for others. So you have to address your own needs.
I wish you all the luck and don't give up on getting what you need. You deserve to feel safe and cared for.
I also tend to repeatedly talk about certain issues in mine therapeutic relation and I plan doing so until I start feeling comfortable enough.
 
Maybe she leads a really boring life and sits around eating crackers in front of the tv. Or maybe she has OCD. Or a million other private possibilities that keep her distant. I agree It's possible to share tidbits without giving it all away, but if that's not her style, maybe she has good reason, like controlling counter transference, or negative past experiences or her own issues with vulnerability or...

It does feel like a wall. It takes a while (sometimes a long while) to chip away from both sides to break through. And sometimes I remind myself that it should be all about me, yet there is an "us" because she genuinely cares about me. I hope you can see some of her come through (tenderness? humor?) ..there has to be something to connect to.
 
like how many kids she has, or whether she relates to things I talk about once in a while (even really innocuous/basic things, not necessarily traumatic things)--frightens me. My brain is wired to perceive secrets=something to hide, and I experience her non-disclosure approach as dangerous...i

Maybe try looking at it the other way?

No matter how much she might like a client, she is protecting her kids by never giving out details about them which could be used to hurt them. Not where they live, activities they like, struggles they face, nothing. Nada. Zilch. Her personal life, and theirs, is something she doesn't share around at work.

Not only does this protect them, it protects you.
Do you see value in her offering you consistency and reliability? You know that however hard you push her she will stick to the boundary she has set. I could imagine that being useful if you had a chaotic childhood.
Very strongly agree.

CSA is the breaking of every single boundary (and covenant) known to man. Children treated like adults. Protectors abusing. List goes on. There's not a single healthy boundary I can think of that isn't shattered by CSA.

Keeping work life & personal life separate? Is a pretty innocuous boundary. It's one that most people bend to one degree or another. That she does not? That she chooses not to? That this is her choice, and she can't be guilt tripped/ tricked/ forced into breaking it no matter how hard you try? Her boundary, her choice? Even such a "minor" boundary? That's a pretty durn useful thing to learn from! At some point she may share something with you. But if she does, it won't be because you've been asking, or want it, or demand it, but because she has made the choice to. Her boundaries are in her control. Your boundaries are in your control. You don't have to do anything you don't want to. No matter how much you love or like the person. No matter how scared or angry you are. Your boundaries are your own, just like hers are her own.
 
Disclosure is such a fundamental thing, and I've definitely observed that once therapists arrive at how they want to handle disclosure, they stick to it like glue. But, that doesn't mean you don't need to work out this issue. I think there is always a point where - after it's clear that the client and therapist are going to stick it out for awhile (like, after a year) - that there's a need to discuss the actual client/therapist relationship, and how it's working, and what you as a client would like to see change - or, eve, just what you need to get off your chest.

My therapist doesn't hesitate to bring himself into the room, and there was a period of time early on where I had to express, clearly, that I didn't want him to bring his current life with his family into the conversation. I couldn't stand him using those examples as a way to parallel my experience, because I don't have a family and I can't have children. I did benefit when he used examples from his childhood and college and post-college years; I could connect with those things, without feeling more depressed.

And, after awhile, I started asking about his family, and he figured out how to incorporate that stuff again, but always focusing on his experience within it, not just telling stories about the kids at the pool. There's a difference.

identifying areas where we connect or relate. This way she can choose--but she actively lets me see that she's real and not secretive. I don't need her to have a trauma history herself, or to share the details of it with me (and I so see the dangers of the other side, an over-sharing therapist--truly!) but I need her to show me she is also not "hiding".
I bolded the important bits. This is a much clearer request than simply asking someone to bring themselves into the room. You are looking for relational touchstones - not trauma connections. You are craving that basic human connection, and are struggling to understand the whole 'container to hold whatever' thing. (My therapist uses that too, it drives me nuts)

Why not disclose these little things? Why not be more of a person? The answer I always end up with is because she's not who I wish or need or think she is--that instead there's someone behind there who doesn't really care, or who doesn't like or trust me, or who is repulsed by me....any of those things. All thoughts--I know--that are informed by my history. But that's also why I think I need her to push a bit further here. She wants me to be able to express feelings of rage and repulsion--but I hold back.
These are great questions. I really encourage you to bring them to therapy, even if you need to read them aloud from printing out this post.

What you also have to keep in mind is - you are pretty sure you know what you want (areas where you connect or relate to each other). There is a chance that she's right, and that these things will actually not help you progress. She might be right. What is important here is engaging completely in the conversation. Right now, you don't really understand why she's doing what she's doing. And asking her to help you understand is going to be more productive than going at it like you are trying to get her to do something. Be open to the fact that you could be convinced.

The conversation about what you want, why you want it so strongly, and what the real intention is behind her not-sharing, why it matters to your therapy - that's what matters. You may come out the other end without her changing; you could change instead.

I've found that my conversations with my therapist around things like this have always, always been more productive when I remembered that I've hired him because he's trained and skilled and I do believe in his ability to help get me where I am trying to go. So, I've got to give him some latitude on that. But it doesn't mean I can't ask.

(This is all very timely for me, as next session he and I will be talking about his stance on the therapist expressing emotion, and how it's interfering with my ability to progress right now).
 
Thank you all again--such smart and insightful responses. I think I at once understand and struggle with the issue of "choice"--perhaps I am experience the decision not to disclose (whatever--again, the content isn't so important/her choice, as I'm not asking for any specifics) as triggering in itself (if that makes sense). It is for me a choice to be secretive. I get afraid that there is something to hide there, that I will be hurt.

Anyway--this is an ongoing one for me, evolving I hope, and for sure I'll carry all these compassionate insights forward--. I so do want to get to the other side (whatever that might be) of this issue. It does torment me!
 
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