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How do you manage helplessness and hopelessness of complex trauma

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Due to recent unpleasant occurrences, I've added my faith back into the picture in a very connected way, not that it ever left - I hid as I felt unworthy. At any rate, I've found myself listening to worship music, looking at my church's website for classes in which I could connect with others, opportunities to watch sermons, reading Jesus Calling, and just totally leaning on God and trusting and believing in the truths He has shared with me and shown me. There is a song by Jesus Culture, Your Love Never Fails, which kind of sums it up for me. That and Angel Armies by Chris Tomlin. Yep, I'm breathing it in and it is very reassuring. Taking it one day at a time, and working on my thinking and beliefs. I'm trying to work some goodness into the bad that has happened. Hoping and praying for the best for we who are on this trek. VB
 
What I have been doing is working on breaking down Hopelessness step by step and working on breaking down Helplessness step bye step and I still find it really difficult to do most days. I am at a point that I don't complain about it as much but it is still a big focus for each and every day.

Trauma Therapy
Exercise
Hip exercises
Mindfulness - 3 Minute Breathing Space
Attending an eight week Mindfulness Course at the moment
DBT - doing the diary and sheets most days.
CBT - breaking down my thought loops
Practice, Practice, Practice
Journal Writing
Gratitude
Random Acts of Kindness
750 words per day
Practicing Self Compassion
Practicing Radical Acceptance
I just keep turning up no matter how I am feeling
Honesty
Social Connections - going each week
Making Friends outside mental health support groups
Not sharing inappropriately
Doing university work
Trying to work on Self Care
Working towards being able to trust myself
Working towards not doubting myself
Medication
Doing service for my community
Doing SuperBetter
Creating space for myself
Experimenting with who I am.
Reading self help books and literature
Listening to the Mindful Way Through Anxiety
Connection to Art and Nature
Practising Radical Presence and Deep Listening
Working towards a job and a career! I will apply for jobs for next year shortly.
Working on community building and community care - small and regular contributions
Practising community support
Being the best community member that I can be wherever I am during the day.
Aiming for honesty, integrity and being solid and dependable.
 
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I am struggling again and I am trying to fight off the freeze/fawn dynamic but all I want to do is to g...
I wish I knew how to get out of that, I don't think that is possible for a victim. A predator will actively set you into that mode, he or she wants the victim to react like that, because then they can actually get close enough to hurt the victim.

Whenever I am really triggered, despite all of the intelligence and courage I can muster, I am still weakened to the point where a predator would easily get to me. I mean: what the heck am I supposed to do with that information? What the heck, I feel like just standing up and screaming right now.
 
@Freedomfighter - actually it is either getting the parasympathetic nervous system engaged or busting the distorted cognitions down - if both systems are going - there is no way out -but if you can put an ice pack on the back of your neck - or find out what works best for you or otherwise comfort, self sooth and self compassion then you don't get as lock in freeze/fawn - it is early days for me and I am at the practice, practice, practice place with it all.

1. Calm down the body
or
2. Calm down the mind - so DBT (Dialectical Behaviour Therapy) or CBT (Cognitive Behavioural Therapy)

It is doable - definitely not easy and taking all my concentration at times but I have to do it to get out of being stuck in freeze/fawn so much of the time.
 
I am back here again in a serious way. I am so anxious about doing this assessment task that I keep putting off even beginning it.

I so fearful being seen. I am just terrified of making choices and being punished/killed for them. I am so anxious. I am safe - well I don't feel safe with the guy staying in the house at the moment, to be honest - he is not safe. Okay to be honest about that man is not safe is important for me. The other guy is harmless he just walked across the lawn at the wrong time when I had already managed a panic attack by walking and I had been doing double time symptom management.

I am really finding it so damn hard. I had a melt down today and I felt suicidal for awhile - I knew it would pass, and it did. I feel fairly low and in a stressed out way. We have someone staying who I found triggering and what he told me was totally inappropriate and on top of that someone else came and walked across our lawn and I felt my space was invaded. Given what happened recently that is not unreasonable - I haven't had control or wasn't even consulted about the current arrangements.

I am really having a hard time with this.

I feel maxed out.

Lots of other students in my course are freaking out the massive workload that we have to do at this time. I am certainly not alone.
 
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@Freedomfighter - actually it is either getting the parasympathetic nervous system e...
Thank you, I am constantly working on bettering myself, even though the thought of having to do that because my rights have been violated can make me very mad.

What would you guys suggest in calming yourself down if you are in the workplace? I try to take a break for a couple of minutes when I am triggered by aggressive customers.

Any suggestions how to deal with that when you are in a very public place and your survival depends on not freezing up or totally loosing it?
 
@Freedomfighter I would turbo charge the Self Compassion I really would. I would look at reading the whole website and learning it by heart.

I would also do a lot of grounding and Mindfulness when you are not at work and doing it all the time so you create a way to be which is outside trauma based responses.

Here is a post I did for another member - you might find some of it helpful. After that is a list of stuff that I have used that has been the most of use to me. I am really time poor so I don't have time to really answer in detail - so I hope that these two posts are of use to you.

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It doesn't matter that you are having those feelings. What is needed for feelings like that is busting distorted cognitions and Self Compassion.Some attention to self sabotage will be required by you - as your mind is so creative.

If you want to stop everything feeling like a criticism then you have to stop the inner abuse of yourself that is twisting everything into something that feels like criticism. You have to stop criticising yourself and being so harsh with yourself. You could look at Kristin Neff's website on Self Compassion, she has free audio to download and a range of exercises you can use. Do it 20 times per day. I read her book it was most helpful to me. It is totally fine to feel what you are feeling. The challenge is to gradually stop overreacting to those feelings. I was there at the beginning of the year. I was having major dissociation and panic attacks - so I kept going to school and I kept ringing helplines afterwards to deal with the fallout. I just kept doing it. Now I can be physically and emotionally present some of the time in class. It is amazing. Never thought that was a possibility for me.

If you want to stop everything feeling like a criticism - you have to ask yourself how and why am I standing on my own neck right now? Then you need to not beat yourself up for beating yourself up - so Radical Acceptance.

Practice being grounded.

Work on self soothing each and every day - write up a plan to incorporate into your daily life.

You are so talented and gifted that you have never really had to work hard at anything before - now you won't get better unless you actually do some work. Tough I know but there it is. You have to decide to do the work of recovery. Until you decide to do that and stop messing around with "I want this type of medication and not that type of medication" your PTSD will always be unstable. You always have a range of excuses, things to consider, flights of fancy, whimsical stuff - you never settle down to the basics and any time you look like heading in that direction you seem to sabotage yourself. You have to do the work of recovery. The only person who is going to stop your PTSD from being unstable is yourself. Keeping away from life is not going to help you be stable - you have to live life whilst working on learning how to be stable.

Look at the franticworld website it has free audio to download for Mindfulness exercises - even start with a three minute one three times per day. The Perth Meditation Centre has free audio to listen to try the shorter medications explained.

Do DBT and then do it again and again. Once again free on the dbtselfhelp website - their instant mindfulness is inspired. I would suggest starting with Radical Acceptance.

You have a beautiful mind and it is always going to come up with elaborate types of avoidance and procrastination - you will have to get on to that with CBT - David Burns - do all the writing exercises. Look at helplessness and hopelessness sections and do that work. There is a thread on this forum Name That Distorted Cognition (thought/perception) - name one distorted cognition each day.

Superbetter - join up with some people who do it every day and do it everyday.

Look at your nutrition and eat each day properly.

Exercise to discharge that cortisol - start with 5 minutes in the morning and 5 minutes in the afternoon.

Write your own recovery plan and work on it and adjust it every day. You fall off the horse - no need to beat yourself up - just start with the next self healing activity.

Work on your reactive attachment disorder stuff - and whatever you work out about this - please let me know - I am struggling with this one as well.

You need to stop hanging out with so many people with substance abuse issues and people who are enabling you to stay stuck in your stuff. You have to be kind and compassion with yourself and also stop all of the creative excuses and flights of fancy - great stuff for when you are grounded but if you are always spaced - you waste your creativity.

Perhaps stop hanging with people who are always out of it, who are sabotaging their own recovery or who enable your behaviours. If you want to get well then you need to hang around some well people and work on challenges or projects together.

Work on not becoming trapped in your ruminations and anxiety loops.

Lastly cut the crap - each day go out of the house for 1 minute 2 minutes etc and do self exposure.

Get a purpose in life and for God's sake use that creativity of yours for something substantial other than amusing the drunk, drugged or high people.

You will need to work hard on the self sabotage. This is a hard one for me. You will really need to address it on a therapeutic deep level.

Take what you want and leave the rest. You remind me of a much younger me - for God's sake don't waste thirty years of your life like I did because I had no guidance and no money for access to decent therapy or anyone who cared enough to give me guidance.

You will never have a conversation without starting shit and nearly breaking down until you actually do some substantial work on your recovery. You are most that creative enough to work out your own solutions. You are more than creative enough to stay stuck in this limbo for another 30 years.

What if you break down and cry? It will be no big deal unless you make it so. I have plenty of friends doing PhDs and Masters, who have over the years broken down and cried at the university. Life goes on - tissues are to be had and people move on. Some people are so in their own little worlds that they didn't notice the crying Masters and PhDs.

When you write up your timetable for university - schedule in all the self care, self soothing, nutrition, DBT practice, CBT thought busting times, exercise, self compassion, SuperBetter, Mindfulness - you actually don't have a lot of time for meltdowns then as doing all that keeps you really busy! When you have routines, schedules, containment and regularity it will help stabilise your PTSD alot.

These things are what works for me - they may not be relevant to you and your recovery.

Due to your self hatred and inner harshness you will have a rugged time with Self Compassion at first - the backdraft thing. Your self hatred will bleed into your procrastination and flagellation - and your projection on to everyone else as being critical of you - it is to be expected, so kindness to yourself.

The fact that you created this thread speaks volumes on how far you have come and also bodes well on how far you will go. Keep reaching out and talking to everyone that you can.

All the Best,
ms spock

N.B be wary of the creativity of your self sabotage!
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Some of the free resources that have helped me in my recovery.

Jane McGonigal: The game that can give you 10 extra years of life | TED Talk | TED.com

SuperBetter (see above video - it is a great thing - it is so easy to play)

My PTSD Forum (forum)

Mindfulness: Finding Peace in a Frantic World
Resources | Mindfulness: Finding Peace in a Frantic World (free to download)

Perth Meditation Centre | Meditation and Mindfulness Training Specialist in Perth
Link Removed (can listen for free)

The Mindful Way Through Anxiety
The Mindful Way Through Anxiety » Mindfulness Exercises (free to download)

The Mindful Way Through Depression (video) - Mindful
(youtube for the 8 Mindful Way Through Depression mindfulness videos all free)
youtube: Zindel Segal, Jon Kabat-Zinn. Mark Williams, John Tearsdale

David Burns (youtube talks all free)
Feeling Good

Self-Compassion
Self-Compassion Exercises by Dr. Kristin Neff (free to download)

http://www.dbtselfhelp.com/html/instant_mindfulness.html (can listen for free)
http://www.dbtselfhelp.com/

Also pain management
Exercise: Tai Chi, Chi Gong, Walking,
Trauma Therapy
Humour
Art
Socialising
Mindfulness groups in real time
Meditation groups in real time
Social Connection
Challenges
Being in Nature
Standing on my own two feet
Moving out of a flat in a dangerous area
Moving away from the area that my abuser lived in
Not seeing toxic family members.
Easing myself back into the world
Studying
Working on my healing
CBT
DBT
I read many books.
Breathing
Volunteering
Being honest
Taking small risks

Of course being on this forum as well!
 
I am back here again in a serious way...

I "liked" your post, @Ms Spock, to show some solidarity and concern for you. How are you doing today? One minute at a time? Allowing yourself to grieve what you've recently lost? Considering replacements? I don't know your situation but it sounds like your living situation is ... volatile? In flux? I hope you can maintain peace in your home. You deserve that.

Thinking of you, and feeling grateful for all the wisdom you share. Keep on keepin' on (Gladys Knight)! :hug:
 
Thanks @Lola Nocheprieta and @Plat-Daddy! You acknowledgement is meaningful for me.

I am thinking total distorted, irrational, delusional thoughts. I really am. I really think I can't do this. Reality has shown many, many, many times that not only can I do it - I can do it damn well! I am feeling feel and anxiety and it is not reality based, it is distorted, irrational and delusional - even if I did a bad job I wouldn't be killed - in fact I might be embarrassed and have to do a subject again but that is not happening. So what I am thinking and feeling and at times believing as truth is actually total bullshit. It has such a hold over me though. I really need to continue to reread the David Burns book and read and work on the Anxiety book, as well as the other one.

Yesterday my sister said I needed to give myself some Self Compassion, as my regular readers will know I have worked damn hard on Self Compassion - the thing is that she is right though - I do need to do more Self Compassion for myself!
 
I hear you - I get that still sometimes, less than I used to but I can still be really hit if I don't l...

I do this a lot. A reward for getting through and acknowledging self. Especially if l am numb, meh, dragging myself, dealing with obtrusive thoughts, people, etc. Also award myself for not getting angry at things that would normally trigger.
 
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