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Relationship What Does Love Look Like For A Survivor?

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jefemundo

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I just read this entire thread (Husband Of Ptsd Wife Needs Guidance) and a wave of emotion overcame me, for the first time I feel like I've been able to truly pin-point exactly what's going on, validate some of my feelings, that it happens to others, and that there are many out there who get overly consumed by the struggles of being a supporter who isn't appreciated in the least for what they are doing.


A bit about my situation: 16 years ago I met the most beautiful woman I have ever met...to this day, I still have yet to meet a woman as beautiful, funny and intelligent as she is. Around 11 years ago, we married, a few years later, 2 boys, then about 18 months ago, through a number of very stressful life events, stressful jobs, family pet dying, school issues with the kids and a few other bad luck items thrown in, "C" developed a deep Depression and Anxiety that caused her, among other things, to adopt unhealthy eating obsession. The situation turned worse, and she ended up needing treatment for a condition resulting from the obsession. she checked in to an inpatient facility for 2 weeks in order to treat the symptoms. it was me and the boys for those 2 weeks, I had to lie to them about where their mom was, but I was 100% behind her the whole time, compassionate, attempting to understand; I was going to be there for her and help her through the therapy and the resulting strick eating routines that the doctors prescribed afterward, when she came home. This was about 6 months ago, and since that event, things around the house between us have gotten very cold, emotionless and dark. I was sure it was the depression anxiety, etc, I encouraged her to change up meds, find another therapist, etc. meanwhile, the complete void in emotion has started taking its toll on me, and a lesser degree, the boys. Where 2 years ago we'd have sex maybe twice a week, now we haven't had sex for almost 2 months, and the last time we did, it made me feel like a pervert, as she had no interest, energy, love, affection or emotion in the (10 minute) roll in the hay. it was a month before that that she gave me "sympathy" sex, where I felt a spark of emotion from her during… it was like a dried up lake had been flooded with cool, clear pure spring water and my emotional buckets were able to refill like they hadn’t in months. Around the same time we started attending couples therapy, and through her therapist talking with our joint therapist, was able to learn that an event in her early dating years, was an underlying issue driving nearly all of the behaviors. At 16, her second boyfriend raped her, just after an unrelated but very traumatic and potentially disfiguring car accident. She had been very open about the car accident, but never mentioned the abusive boyfriend to me, until around this same time recently. She has since been diagnosed with PTSD from the event, and our joint therapist noted that while we had a healthy sex and mostly normal emotional relationship since, the eating disorder among other life events triggered the PTSD after lying (mostly) dormant for nearly a decade. We’re not sure when it was retriggered, but it was likely around 18 months ago. Since then, nearly all emotion, compassion, empathy and even acknowledgement of my presence has been absent from her soul. The once daily morning hugs, kisses goodnight, squeezing of the hands in bed at night all disappeared. No more texts during the day “ how are you doing”, no more “let’s snuggle up and watch a movie”. Its broken my heart so deeply that I’ve decided to remove myself from the bedroom, I’ve been sleeping in the guest bedroom for the last 6 weeks or so. We no longer touch at all, there is no intimacy whatsoever in the home between she and I. I got jealous the other day when she gave a hug to a female neighbor she hadn’t seen in a few weeks, I asked her how she could so easily hug the neighbor, but couldn’t manage a hug for her husband. In therapy both me and the therapist ask her if she still loves me, and she says, “deep down, I do”. Unfortunately actions speak louder than words. The whole PTSD revelation is relatively new in our recent struggles, and I am coping with the news horribly (from my perspective). I am resentful, irritable, demoralized, frustrated one minute, the next minute I’m empathetic, compassionate and ready to “do what ever it takes” to save the relationship. I want nothing more than to get the “C” back that I once knew, reading books, attending individual therapy, whatever I need to do, I’ll do it. Problem is, whenever I offer it to her, the only response is “ I just need time”. I resort to begging for hugs here and there, begging for some insights to “ what should I expect in the coming weeks”? No answers unfortunately, and I find myself obsessing over the situation on my way to work, at work and on the way home from work. Then, once the kids are in bed, I obsess over it while on the internet. Do I just resign to the fact that she no longer loves me and call it quits? Tuck my balls up under my belt and tough it out, be patient? 12-18 months doesn’t seem like a long time to some people outside the situation who are giving me advise, but its hard for those to understand that when someone you spend so much energy loving, provides sheer apathy in response, but then commits to “love, somewhere deep down” verbally, it tears you up inside.


Anyway, regret the novel post here, but its been therapeutic to write. For those that might be going through similar situations, may I ask:

- Even if the abuse was purely sexual (where I understand the aversion to affection and intimacy), does the PTSD affect subconscious compassion and love as well for simple, non-intimate things like "let's take a walk, or how was your big meeting at work"?

- Is it possible to get the “love” back, does time and good therapy “heal” the heart?

- Are the chances for occasional mutually enjoyable sexual encounters possible again?

- Should I draw closer to her? Separate myself? Try to talk about it with her? Pretend as though nothing is wrong?

I’m just so lost in how to deal with the situation, I want her to be healthy again so bad, but I’m starting to feel the compassion fatigue mentioned elsewhere in the forums.


Apologies again for the ramble, thanks for any insights at all that might be out there, even if “yep dude, you have gone crazy” cause that’s how I feel from time to time.


-J
 
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also, @Kriamjolee, I know this thread is nearly 2 years old, are you still posting, how are things going for you? I read your thread here with much interest, I can relate to so many of the things you expressed, while my wife's trauma was nothing like yours, I feel like the reaction and sickness has effected us similarly.

Hope you are doing well man.
 
I didn't read the whole thing so please bear with me. Eating disorders are hard enough by themselves. Throw in the rest and it makes intimacy very. Very hard. PTSD, at least for me, makes being close to somebody extremely difficult in that way because of the reactions it causes. And "love", well that word just pisses me off simply because it's never done me any good.

That said it's obvious you love her very much. Don't give up on her. It will take ALOT of time, work, and patience on your part to get through to her and alot of work on her part to get through all this. It's not easy. Is. Not. If you want to be with her there is a book im constantly recommending. This one:

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Emotional numbing is very common.

It can literally take all a sufferer's energy just to get through the day. There often isn't anything left over for a partner.

It's hard. There are a lot of us here in similar situations. This is a good place to learn, to vent and to get support.
 
@jefemundo

I saw the notification that I had a reply to this thread and, I'll be honest, it kind gave me a mini anxiety attack. Things have changed a lot for me since this thread started and it was a bit painful revisiting it. I'm not looking for sympathy, just... I guess making excuses for why I haven't responded sooner.

This community was such great support for me while I was dealing with all that I was dealing with, and I couldn't live peacefully with myself if I let someone hanging who is looking for similar support. So, I promise you, I will get back to you with a thoughtful response soon. I'll just need a little time to get through this thread and your post with a clear head.

Until then, find peace in yourself. Trust yourself. Know you're not alone.

I'll speak with you soon, my friend.
 
Okay @jefemundo, I've finally brought myself to read your post fully and take some time to reflect.

WARNING: Major rambling ahead...

First, a brief update on my situation. I'm now divorcing the woman that I mentioned in the original thread (https://www.myptsd.com/threads/husband-of-ptsd-wife-needs-guidance.50443/). But, don't let that fact depress you. It is the best thing I have ever done for myself. Not because she has PTSD, rather because I have been able to find myself again. I really lost who I was in the last 5+ years of our marriage. I am significantly happier, have managed to drastically reduce my ego, developed a much stronger relationship with both of my girls, have opened a coffee shop a year ago that I now run and am happy to wake up to every morning, and over all have been on a journey of enlightenment, reflection, mindfulness, and peace. And, honestly, my life has been miraculously evolving for the better over the past 2 years in ways I could have never imagined.

She, on the other hand, has really spiraled downward. Drugs, men in and out of the house (moved one dude in 2 weeks after I moved out), taking full advantage of "friends" and even the children. It's been much harder (or at least much more volatile) in that regard than it was living with her. But, I'm able to deal with it so much better, and can provide a place of solace for my girls that I was unable to provide while we were living together.

Only now do I realize that it wasn't her PTSD, depression, anxiety, etc that made me lose myself. However, those things definitely made the cracks in our foundation (and the weaknesses in myself) stick out like a sore thumb. We were able to avoid touchy topics while we were both mentally and emotionally healthy (or healthy enough to fake it well). Once there was a significant decrease in mental/emotional health, those touchy, uncomfortable misalignments in our personalities and perspectives made it really difficult to navigate or manage something as trying as PTSD.

I do NOT think that divorce or separating is necessary or inevitable. But self-healing, being introspective, and taking time for yourself definitely is! Only you will know if you are good. Only you will know if you are centered enough to go the long haul. Only you know when your "stress cup" is close to, or totally, overflowing. And only you know how to rejuvenate yourself and if it is possible to do in your current situation.

I spent a lot of time after my ex's breakdown researching PTSD, Anxiety, Depression, etc. I wanted to help in the best way I could. But, I think that was a bit of a backward approach. I should have (years ago) began researching how to make myself happy. I know it sounds selfish. But it's so, so true that you aren't any good for your significant other if you aren't good to yourself. Sure, you could read PTSD books and basically become a self-taught psychologist. But you can't efficiently put that knowledge to practice without a strong sense of self. I had a lot of the right information, but the way I was presenting it, the way I was employing it, was probably more damaging to our relationship than it was helpful. I was incapable of dealing with her lack of interest in me, her mood swings, her attacks, her emotional absence. I felt like it was owed to me, or that despite what she was going through she should still be concerned about *me*. That was my ego. That was not helpful.

Healing is inherently a very selfish process. It has to be. The supporter needs to be so strong, and have such a clear sense of self, that the chaos of that healing process affects them minimally. Sure things will hurt, but if you're at a place where you are secure in yourself you don't need anyone else to fulfill you. Thus, when your partner is (necessarily) absent, emotionally, sexually, etc, you keep on keeping on. Because you know where you're going. You know how to manage the house, and kids, and your needs, and life in general without leaning on anyone else for support; especially someone hurting as badly, and as incapable at this moment as your significant other who may be struggling to survive day to day. And when they have their moments of clarity, they will greatly appreciate your being there and keeping life going while they deal. Sometimes, they really do "just need time."

I know it seems backwards. "Focus on myself while the love of my life is struggling?" But, believe me, your love and affection will feel much more genuine to her when it comes from a strong, enlightened, mindful place rather than from (and please don't take offense to this) a selfish, ego-driven place.

To wrap up this ridiculous post, here are some things I wish I focused on more than my ex's "issues" years ago:
Meditation.
Establishing a healthy diet.
Discovering and drastically reducing my ego.
Finding a hobby that gets me in "the zone" and makes all the stress melt away.
Practicing gratitude.
Giving without expectation.
Approaching everything with love.
Simplifying my life.

I believe if I focused on those things I would have inherently been a better supporter than when I was less mindful, but full of knowledge about PTSD.

I hope that helps and am willing to help you and your spouse in any way I can. I wish you both peace and happiness.

Kris
 
@Kriamjolee that was awesome. As a sufferer, it helps me come to terms with my first marriage & the fact that it ended. You're right - each person has to put themselves first, even though we are trained to believe that we should put ourselves last.
 
@Kriamjolee that was awesome. As a sufferer, it helps me come to terms with my first marriage & the fact that it ended. You're right - each person has to put themselves first, even though we are trained to believe that we should put ourselves last.

@BlueOrange,

I'm glad my response struck a chord with you and helped you gain an additional positive perspective. As long as we continue to share and learn from each other's shared experiences, we help the world become a more peaceful, tolerant, mindful place.

Peace.

It's very hard on others, I think.

@Junebug,

I couldn't agree more. Luckily we have access to supportive forums like this. :)

--Kris
 
Healing is inherently a very selfish process. It has to be. The supporter needs to be so strong, and have such a clear sense of self, that the chaos of that healing process affects them minimally.
@Kriamjolee Wow, thank you so much for coming back and sharing again in retrospect. I'm in the thick of it and have realized my issue is staying focused on and taking care of myself. Your response reaffirmed that taking care of myself is key. It's going to take some time, but I too hope I can reach a place where "the chaos of that healing process affects them minimally."
 
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