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When Easy Things Are Hard In Therapy

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watundah

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This may seem like a ramble of sorts but I'm diving in.

I am thinking today about how mundane things become big things in therapy and how I am stymied by what seems so insignificant. But maybe they aren't insignificant afterall, but a matter of learning to ask for what you need.

I am 4.5 years with my T. We have had some big issues along the way which we work through and move on. This has been good for me who usually cuts ties and runs. Yay, I am growing, seeing value in our relationship, learning trust and so on.

Today, I am thinking about two things.

Eye contact. I have to really work on this with most people. One thing I've learned is that I have excellent eye contact when listening, but look away when talking. In therapy, eye contact is extra difficult, probably because the focus is all me. I make an effort to look at her and over time it's becoming easier but still consists of fleeting glances. So intense and vulnerable. One time she did an experiment where she held up her index finger and asked me to follow the finger with my eyes as she moved it closer to her face. I felt overwhelmed like an abused dog at the animal shelter! In my heart, I know she is good and kind, yet this simple exercise took me by the knees.

Seating location. We used to sit on the floor facing each other, then she got a tiny table in front of the couch so I retreated back to the couch without saying I'd like to go back to the floor. I know she would have done it. Then a month or two ago she tried sitting across the room with her chair turned slightly away and asked me if I preferred that. I said, no, it was silly, so she came back at about a 45 degree angle about 5 feet away.

A month or two ago, she began sitting directly across from me. I liked that. However, we both went to see a trauma expert speak recently and he said never sit across from your client as it forces eye contact. Well, she moved back to the 45 degree angle position last week.

The issue at hand is, no matter where she sits, I will make dodgy, quick eye contact, so chair positions seem irrelevant to me, but in the case of intimacy, neediness, child-like wants, I prefer her directly across from me.

And today I want to ask her to move back. For some reason, this simplest of requests feels very big to me! I get a lot of comfort from knowing she is kind of in my interpersonal space bubble.

I know the extroverted contingent here will say, "just tell her!" but the inner child part seems to hide behind the knees of the invisible mother and finds it so hard to make this simple ask.

Can anyone else relate to the "take the world" attitude wilting into "shy kindergartener" once you walk into your Ts office? She told me that is the part that shows up because it's the part that needs to heal but she sure gets in my way sometimes.
 
Yes. Recent example: we met in a different place than usual. We had the choice of two rooms to sit in. She asked me where I wanted to be, and I couldn't respond. I was in a really bad place, and I was very vulnerable. I found myself stuck repeating "You choose please." Very very shy kindergartener, desperately wishing there was a mother to hide behind.

The eye contact is also a hard one for me. One reason is that when I look at her face, I see that she cares and the implication that I matter and what I'm saying might matter is oddly terrifying. But also I sometimes take comfort from seeing that in her face. Hence the quickly glancing at her, maybe four or five times over the course of 1.5 hours.
 
Is eye contact really something that needs to meet a rigid standard? I often don't make eye contact with someone when I'm talking. It's distracting and makes it harder to think about what I'm saying. If I need to think, I look away. I guess, if my primary concern is knowing they're getting my point, I probably check in some, looking for feedback. My T also tends to look away when he's thinking mostly about forming his thoughts in a particular way. I've never asked why he does that. It doesn't strike me as a problem that needs fixing.

We've talked about "where people sit" a few times. Partly because he pays attention. He's commented a few times that he doesn't have many clients right now who sit where I always do. (The chair that gives me a clear view of the entire room.) He does kind of sit across from me, but there's no sense of compelling eye contact. Either of us can look out the window, for example, and we both do. But, you're right, it's interesting how some of this gets to be "a thing".

If you want to talk to her about moving, you might think of asking as "an experiment". No pressure. No judgement. Just "I wonder what would happen if....?" I find that sometimes makes it easier for me to take that kind of perceived risk.
 
I have similar difficulties. I'm sure we're not alone either.

I was told it is because my first trauma stunted my emotional maturity. There for the confident, secure adult I should be is in a constant battle with the emotional, confused and scared 13 year old I was.

Now with a reason why, I can work towards a fix. A really slow and difficult fix but 1 that I feel is worth it.
 
Yet, can't look at her, can't even look up from the floor 98% of the time. Also can't sit back, relax, breathe deeply, or keep still. I twiddle my fingers constantly, which I know is annoying- it annoys me, but I can't stop it. Even when it gives me sore fingers.

My T once tried to get me to sit back and relax. It lasted about a minute and a half, because I started to go into a panic attack.

Outside of T, depends upon the situation, but at work for instance, I'm known as the one who says just what she thinks and doesn't back down from anyone.
 
@scout86 I wouldn't say eye contact needs a rigid.standard but it is an intense form of intimacy. Certainly by sharing a visual connection you gain and reveal so much more regarding feelings. And I know I am hiding and avoiding by dodging her gaze. No, we needn't lock eyes like mad monkeys for an hour and sometimes she looks away, too. I have wondered if it was her efforts to let me be comfortable looking "at" her without feeling intimidated. So.complex, we are.

@One step at a time I agree that part of it is being seen and seeing someone look at us.with care and compassion. It is so powerful.
 
I can relate, a couple of months ago I found myself slouching like a teenager, that is so weird, I thought nobody else does that!
 
My therapist sits at an angle from me and I never considered why she might not be sitting directly across from me. I do exactly what you said- I look at her when she's speaking and I look away when I speak. I look off to the right or left of her when I'm thinking and probably look down when I talk, and then back at her when I'm done talking. I've never paid close attention but now I will!
As far as posture, I never change it. I always sit fairly upright with my legs crossed. I might switch legs but that's it. Adult, composed, articulate me is the one who is always present in session. It's not actually preferable as I don't experience any emotion or regression until I leave her office and I'm alone. But if she even hints at trying to listen to what younger me might be thinking or feeling I check out and shut down. When that happens I can't look at her at all.
 
I cannot say the shy kinder kid feeling hits the moment I walk in T's door, but the minute things get personal it does ... the minute I have to bring down the confident, can-take-anything, perfectly contained exterior and discuss anything meaningful.

I try to make deliberate eye contact in therapy, but when we delve into the deeper stuff, my eyes return to the floor. I do not want her to see into my soul, to see my shame and vulnerability ... and what can I say? Her shoes are interesting. I get unnerved by the compassion I see in her eyes.

My hands fidget unless I put them under my legs. My posture is always rigid; I always sit in the same location and do not move - across from T. When she switches to her desk chair, it always takes me a moment to adjust mentally and generally anything said after that, I do not remember. When I arrive, I also readjust items on the side table and clean off the couch ... hair ... lent ... whatever.

T tries to get me to breathe, sit back and relax like @jaccat, but that never ends well.

I wonder if they go through the same in their own therapy sessions.
 
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