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I started writing a different sort of post, but realized I wasn't really dealing with the core issues. I've been dating the same guy, J, for 1.5 years now. We've known each other even longer. Supposedly we are "boyfriends" but we don't see each other often anymore and don't talk regularly. We also have an open relationship. I agree with my crazy ex-roomate that we are more like guys that date, than boyfriends. I agree with my therapist, that J can only commit (not sure that's the right word) in limited ways.

Have I talked this out with J? No. This is the first, serious, non-abusive relationship I've ever had. There are good things. When we are together it's fun and rewarding. He is ok with me being asexual and super understanding about intimacy issues. He also has PTSD and gets that stuff. But I also feel like I'm being dishonest. I suspect he would define the relationship differently than I. I suspect if I told him, it felt like we were just a couple guys who occasionally date he'd feel hurt. And as he isn't doing anything horrible it's just been easier to go with the flow.

I have said that I wish I heard from him more often. That it's pretty consistently me initiating contact and I wish sometimes he would be the initiator. That I wish that when we were talking he checks in to see how I'm doing. I *always* ask him. No matter what the drama in my life, I ask because I care. Because he's supposedly an important person in my life. He often doesn't ask. And we've talked that one round and round and he does make an effort but unless we keep having the conversation, he doesn't maintain the effort. And so, then I guess I decided that he probably wasn't going to change. You can't change people, I know that. So I just needed to accept what I had (or move on). That I can think of us as guys that date and use that reference as a way to manage my expectations.

But then, there are times, like now, when I'm all hurt and disappointed. It's stupid. I know what he's like. I do. Three and a half months ago, I had a fairly bad fall at work and injured my knee. It wouldn't heal and I've been ready to get surgery for a while now so I could move on. This entire time, J has been fairly absent. Oh well, he's come around before when I was sick. I seem to have a lot of problems and he has a busy life and whatever. Finally, I got my surgery scheduled. His entire response was "I’m so excited for you, I’m hoping this helps" As well as telling him about my surgery I'd asked how he was doing. So he then launched into drama happening with his roommate and how it had triggered PTSD and it was all so immediate and .. I don't know. That's what the next hour plus was spent on. His issues. He never asked me a single question about my surgery or how I'm going to manage while living alone. So yeah, stupid me gets hurt.

But now he's got all this drama going on so it doesn't seem right t say I'm hurt. And besides, we've basically had this conversation. He will be all apologetic. He will explain he does care he just doesn't know what to say and how to show it. He will be more attentive for a bit. Blah blah blah. So when do I say... you're sort of a self-involved ass. When do I say, you know, I like you a lot and I want to be able to spend time together but you aren't my boyfriend. A boyfriend includes a certain level of commitment. When do I say... I don't think you care as much as you claim. If you really cared, there's be some level of interest in what's happening in my life. When do I say... you know, I get you are freaked out over your roommate situation but right now I'm too hurt and pissed to want to talk to you. You are really good at filling your life up with stuff and people that aren't me, so go do that because I'm too freaking tired and hurt to help you. When do you say, "next time you are about to say,'I miss you' stop and check yourself. If it's when your in the midst of a bad time, don't freaking say it because it hurts like hell that, that's the only time you do say it.

And why does writing this all out, just make me hate myself and feel like an utter idiot?
 
Thank you all.

@Friday I'm a little confused. I get the first part of what you said. And basically, I agree. Except I seem to be slightly stalled there. I guess, I feel like to move in a different direction, I need to have a conversation with him. We have labeled ourselves as boyfriends. I guess we have sort of created a definition, together, of what that means. So, if I don't really think we are boyfriends anymore, I owe to say that to him, don't I?
 
So, if I don't really think we are boyfriends anymore, I owe to say that to him, don't I?
The honorable thing IMO is to, yes, tell him you’re through. Leaving someone twisting in the wind is a pretty dick move. How much you go into why? Shrug. That’s up to you. The more you tell them, though, the more it invites an argument or a discussion. The reasons why you’re through? Are your own. You’re the one who really needs to know them.
 
Going back to answer a question @Abstract asked, yes, I think the fact he's so distant in many ways has made the relationship safe. The fact that he has always respected my boundaries is amazing and wonderful. And I guess I maybe don't believe I will find that in anyone else.

Responding to what @Friday has said. I guess I've been trying to convince myself this could work somehow. That I could accept what we have or eventually he would find something better for him and dump me and I wouldn't be the bad guy. Because if I'm just ending it for no reason... I guess that feels like I'm doing something wrong. And I guess, I was thinking about ending it a lot in December but that was the holidays and I felt like that would be wrong and mean and now he's got all this drama/PTSD stuff going on so ending it sees like it would be insensitive and hurtful so.... I keep thinking I should wait until the right time?

And... to be honest. There is a part of me that's just flat out scared. I mean, I haven't had that many past relationships but ending some of those, brought out the crazy, stalker/abuser type traits. I don't really see that happening but that doesn't stop a scared part from fearing that.

Sigh. Which takes me back to what I said for most of my life which is that I'm just not cut out for having relationships. I'm too messed up.
 
Which takes me back to what I said for most of my life which is that I'm just not cut out for having relationships. I'm too messed up.
If anything, this experience shows you’ve graduated to wanting and needing an even healthier relationship because you are becoming healthier. That’s a good sign, not a bad one. The fact that he can’t go to the next level of commitment with you is about him. Not you. :)
 
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It sounds like this guy was actually a pretty perfect fit for you and the stage of healing you were at when you first hooked up. He allowed you to dip your toe in, experience a relationship that wasn’t abusive, but only with a degree of commitment that worked for you at the time.

The relationship sounds like its now run its course - not necessarily because either of you have failed some kind of character test, but because you’re continuing with your post-traumatic growth and you’re ready for something more committed.

Sometimes relationships just outgrow themselves, and there really isn’t any reason either person needs to feel guilty or like they’ve failed somehow. This just isn’t right for you anymore, because you’re ready fpr something bigger. Great! Go you and your recovery!

There is a sadness to it, because for all his failings he still had quite a few things going for him. But don’t confuse that sadness of “this is coming to an end” with “oh hell, something is seriously wrong, I must be screwing up”. It’s ok to be sad, and end the relationship anyway.
 
Rather than it meaning that you aren't cut out for relationships maybe it rather means you are making progress and things are improving for you on the relationship front. Maybe also having a non stalker end is a new good thing to experience. It doesn't sound like he is likely to go that way. It's always horrible and uncomfortable ending things but is often the best for all concerned.
 
I read all the replies. I am sorry I didn't reply sooner. I like to pretend that I don't care, but it's hit me hard. Life has been so overwhelming (upcoming knee surgery, financial worries, a fender bender, injured pet, etc) that I have sort of avoided dealing with this. And since I've barely heard from him, that's been manageable.

I do feel like I need to talk to him and tell him how I feel. I agree that in many ways I've outgrown this relationship. I would be happy if he stayed in my life. If we could be friends that would be wonderful. He seems to have the capacity to stay friends with people he's broken up with so it's possible. I still wonder though, if I'm being selfish or something. He's so stressed out about his roommate situation it doesn't seem fair to add to his load.

At the same time.... if you had a boyfriend/girlfriend/ that you had been dating for over a year, showed almost no interest in the fact you were getting knee surgery, would you feel bad? If there was no offer to help, or expressed regret over not being able to help, would you feel bad? Am I expecting too much?

And I hate the fact that I need help. I hate the fact that I have no contact with my birth family and that the person, who I think supposedly should care the most (boyfriend), doesn't seem aware or interested. And it makes the idea of reaching out to friends to see if someone can help seem impossible. I can't have the surgery if someone doesn't drive me. The recommend someone staying with you for the first 24 hours although I doubt I need that much.
 
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