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[Neverthesame]

Kids lack impulse control. It’s not as developed as in adults.

I decided to test this. Here's what happened:

1. Walked to the kitchen from the living room.
2. Picked up an empty jam jar with lid that was rinsed out for the recycling,
3. Walked to bathroom with jar.
4. Took out two bottles from underneath the wash basin and opened them.
5. Poured in the contents of the bottles into jar, quickly screwed on lid. Put bottles back under the basin.
6. Walked to the front porch with chemical weapon jar.
7. Put on jacket and shoes.
8. Walked out front door with chemical weapon jar.

Elapsed time: 2 minutes and 31 seconds.

It took me only 2 and a half minutes to make a very dangerous weapon and set off to go use it.

Now, obviously I didn't actually make the real thing, or I'd have to call the fire department to dispose of the test jar. Which would not go over well with them I'm sure.

If I wanted to make a real one, I have everything I need here. I really could make this in 2 minutes with what's in my house right now.
If I were to want to use it for a large area, such as the inside of a school, or grocery store, movie theatre, ect, ect. I would need to make more than one. But even that is not time consuming. The longest part was finding the jar.

I had the impulsive desire to test if I could impulsively make a chemical weapon, in roughly the time someone who is reasonably competent with a firearm to grab the weapon load it and go.

It would seem that I can. I would say this is a viable alternative to a firearm, just as potentially deadly as one too.

 

[Deleted member 41765]

Thank you @She Cat that was a smart move.

Agreed!!

 

[Friday]

yet more CHILDREN have died. It’s just so f*cking wrong on so many levels....

Couldn’t agree more, or more strongly.

 

[Anarchy]

Guys,
If you think gun control could be made to work, and we'd all be safe...

1, search for the name "Philip Luty"

2, once you've seen what it takes to construct his submachine gun designs (these are actual full auto, not semi auto look alikes), just consider for a moment the level of police state that it would take to restrict any and all materials that could be used to construct a SMG.

Friday mentioned two household chemicals that mixed together make hydra zine - self igniting rocket fuel

To make controls effective you'd need to end the teaching of any but the most basic chemistry, and you'd definitely need to ban the teaching of newtonian mechanics...

Those measures alone would crash our civilization further than pol pot's back to year zero policy took Cambodia.

And what level of violence is necessary to achieve such policies?

The death penalty for possession of a gun still left a 3 to 6 times higher civilian homicide rate in the ussr that the ussa has ever had

Add to that homicidal rate among the proles, the astonishing rate of murders by the state, an average of 12,000 a day, continuing for decades on end in the ussr

Total ussr figures, excluding wars, was around 48 million civilians murdered by the state, and around 20 million in eastern and central Europe.
In China, the figure is at the very least 76 million.

 

[Deleted member 541]

As I said somewhere else today.... I’m afraid that until one of children of a senator, or representative is gunned down, nothing will be done. It will take something like this to actually get the government to act. Sad, it I’m afrad that this is what it’s going to take before gun control is taken serious...

PLEASE keep this discussion to GUN control and not bombs. Bombs and how to make them isn’t what I’m concerned with.

 

[Anarchy]

PLEASE keep this discussion to GUN control and not bombs. Bombs and how to make them isn’t what I’m concerned with.

The references to Philip Luty, that formed the bulk of my post are directly relevant to gun control, as he demonstrated how simply submachinegun can be built with readily available materials and household diy tools. Same for ammunition.

On the wider point, guns are one choice amongst many for a tool that can be used for killing lots of people. "Weapon" is something that doesn't exist outside of human minds.

Friday has already pointed out that humans are resourceful, numerous other means are available out there and can be substituted.

Short of having a particular aversion to dying or being injured by being shot, as compared to other sources of injury or causes of death, the results are just the same.

So if rendering some humans inoffensive is the aim, concentrating on one arrangement of materials alone, is missing the point.

It's not my thread, so I'm not going to push the point.

 

[Deleted member 541]

Gun violence in a HUGE issue in the United States, and our political body seems to think that it’s mental health that’s the issue. Well, that very well may be the issue. But if there weren’t f*cking gun shops on every frigging street corner, lack of background checks and easy access to guns, then maybe, just f*cking maybe this many people wouldn’t be dying.

This is also an issue about the almighty f*cking dollar too. From the gun makers to government. They all have their hands in it.

I’m tired of seeing children DIE from guns. I’m tired of the adults not doing anything, Each and everyone of you, ask yourself this question..... How would you feel if one of your children or family died this way??? Would you feel any differently????

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americas/us-gun-statistics/index.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/mass-shooting-gun-statistics-2018-2

 

[Anarchy]

There are lots of other factors to add into any analysis of the statistics.

Incidentally, competent multi variate analyses have been done, on a county level of resolution, by amongst others, Gary Kleck, and John R Lott. The de funding of the CDC wasn't a loss, their work was not of a sufficient standard to make it into criminology journals, and criminologists were highly critical of the quality of papers that were published in medical journals, where the readership and editorial boards were not up to speed with the subject area.

Just on the area of homicides violence and brutality in schools,
The school where this latest shooting took place had 3000 kids attending.

Three thousand!
First, what the hell is the child welfare outcome of that size school?

Then, if that number of children are going to be forcibly concentrated in a single site - what measures were being taken to meet the duty of care towards their safety?
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As side issues, there are allegations that the fe'ral bureau of ineptitude was alerted to threats from this individual 12 months ago

And eye witness reports of a second shooter, that aren't getting into the amazingly complete official narrative.

The devil is usually in the detail, and awkward details that don't fit the rapidly completed official narratives, are usually present in these sort of events.

Keep your eyes and minds open.

 

[KwanYingirl]

Unfortunately Trump loves the NRA. That lobby can’t be stopped. There is no way semi automatic guns have any use except in war. At least ban them. For all the smack people say immigrants do, only white boys and men are the school shooters.

 

[Deleted member 41765]

How would you feel if one of your children or family died this way???

And how would you feel if you yourself (raises hand) almost died this way?

@Anarchy With all due respect (and I feel much toward you), keep our eyes and minds open? Excellent advice. I ask you to do the same. You are no doubt exceptionally gifted. It is my opinion, as we say here, that this does not mean intellectualizing events or situations actually provides workable solutions. And we need a solution. And as to eye witnesses in regard to a second shooter (in a literal rapid fire traumatic adrenalized situation?)? There was no second shooter. Just a 19 year old with easy access to militarized weaponry.

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[Friday]

There is no way semi automatic guns have any use except in war.

That’s virtually every civilian firearm that’s not a revolver, or shotgun.

Semi-Auto = Pull the trigger and 1 round fires.

Fully Automatic weapons are probably what you’re thinking of = pull the trigger and there is a continuous rate of fire until the magazine or belt is empty, or the trigger is released.

easy access to militarized weaponry

The AR-15 is a civilian weapon. The militarized version (with 3 round burst, & fully automatic) is the M16

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Accuracy matters when you’re talking firearms. Reactive legislation to tragedies such as this often LESSEN restrictions, just because people demand and vote for the wrong things / laws that are more relaxed than what are already in place, thinking they’re voting for stronger and more restrictive laws.

 

[Deleted member 41765]

The AR-15 is a civilian weapon. The militarized version (with 3 round burst, & fully automatic) is the M16

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Militarized enough and zero reason to be sold to civilians.

Accuracy matters when talking about firearms? Really? Tell that to the victims and their families. And while you're at it, I wish you could actually tell ME that, while looking in my eyes, when I tell you what I went through, as a "civilian".