Medical Genital mutilation

[Anarchy]

Removal of a male foreskin is in no way comparable to removing the clitoral hood,

It's as close as the analogy goes

The inner surface of both is higly sensitive. On a male the inside of the foreskin is actually the most sensitive part of the male genitals, the frenulum which is also destroyed is also highly sensitive

So in those respects (removal of most sensitive part) male mutilation is perhaps better compared to mutilation of the clitoral glans

There's also the cultural argument that what professional scientistic white men do, cannot be likened to what superstitious colored people do

Except that until recently female genital mutilation was practiced in the name of medicine in Britain, North America and Australia

 

[Anarchy]

Given two of the three men concerned were senior medics who have had a strong hand in their own care, I’d respectfully disagree.

Doesn't mean that they were any less bound by habit and lack of creativity for themselves

Medical training isn't about developing thinking skills.

 

[somerandomguy]

Where have I said you don’t get to feel pain and traumatisation

Removal of a male foreskin is in no way comparable to removing the clitoral hood, clitoris, inner and outer labia and/or sewing a woman’s vagina closed.

And therefore, my trauma isn't NEARLY as bad as someone who's undergone FGM, right? That's the underlying message, which I utterly reject.

Suck it up, men! Man up!

 

[Fadeaway]

I just want to point out that when my son was circumsized he was completely numb and it was done while I held him, he never noticed, no pain. Numbing creams were sent home with us.

The board strapping is rarely done anymore. This is not a for or against post so please don't treat it as such. It is just informative.

 

[Suzetig]

@somerandomguy Thats your reading into what I’ve said, different doesn’t mean less than, or non-existant, it means different.

In the same way as having your penis fully removed would be a different trauma to having part of it removed. In the same way as having it done by a medic in sterile surroundings would be a different trauma to it being done in a backstreet alley.

Not worse necessarily or less, but different.

 

[Anarchy]

There was a guy who I was at boarding school with had lost his glans as well during a religious mutilation

I don't know whether his name was given to him as a consolation for the loss;

Shariah:rolleyes:

 

[Suzetig]

Medical training isn't about developing thinking skills.

No, but given you’re talking about probably the most sensitive part of their anatomy and people who have extensive medical knowledge and resources, I trust there wasn’t another viable alternative. If you, with your own extensive medical training, know differently I’ll bow to that.

 

[somerandomguy]

when my son was circumsized he was completely numb and it was done while I held him

And all it would have taken would have been one mis-slip of the knife or mis-placement of the device before both you and your son would have had something to regret forever.

Unlikely, but possible. Still brutal.

 

[Anarchy]

Apart from the implicit appeal to authority in there

Amputation is virtually never resorted to on continental Europe

Continental European doctors are athe least as well trained as those in the English speaking world

In fact, if clinical outcomes and medically avoidable deaths are taken as the measure of theach success and thoroughness of that training

The continental doctors (even in places like Spain) are perhaps significantlying better trained and more able than their British coproffesionals

That the people who you know resorted to mutilation while on the continent it doesn't happen
Does suggest a hide bound choice

And suggests that the choice was not the result of some sort of superior medical knowledge

 

[Anarchy]

And all it would have taken would have been one mis-slip of the knife or mis-placement of the device before both you and your son would have had something to regret forever.

I'll hate my mother until I die

In this time of body art, I could have worn at least 3 rings or studs in the scar

I have at least 3 types of cyst caused by inclusions in the scar

 

[Anarchy]

Says you.

Re foreplay

I'm bi, I know exactly how much difference there is between mutilation and not mutilated there

Male lubrication is excreted from elsewhere, travelling through the urethra and exiting out the opening.
I don't make less mess than anyone else. Being totally honest, in the age of safe sex and KY-Jelly, it's really quite irrelevant

nope, the mucous membrane also contributes, and water soluble gels are a poor second best

Frequent UTIs are not common to any healthy person. Get that checked out, it's possibly a symptom of a much more serious condition.

Checked out everytime it happens. The clinic in use is run by consultants, and in their opinion, mutilation is making me more susceptible.
There is damage to my urethra, possibly from objects being forced down there to treat a meatal ulcer

 

[Neverthesame]

Apart from cancer (incredibly rare) or gangrene (also incredibly rare) there is no more medical reason to amputate a foreskin

I know they looked into a different solution. It wasn't an option for him. Nobody wants to give a 12 year old boy a circumcision. If a small incision was sufficient to fix the problem, this is what would have been done. There's no reason not too. Lots of reasons to do so. Not the least of which being recovery time and pain management for a hormonal 12 year old.
At the same time, when a 12 year old can't get it up without blinding pain? Those extra nerve endings become a curse, not a blessing.

Reconstructive Plastic surgoons

This makes it hard to debate with you. The automatic rejection of anything related to mainstream anything... what's the point?
Anything I say, must be feeding the establishment right?....

The medical "benefits" are entirely bogus. None of the claims has an evidential basis.

You don't have to take anyone's word for it. Or mine.

All my medical knowledge comes from the "shite western butchery". I don't think you would anyway. Not even if I were a Harvard medical graduate.

I get that this was really bad for you. I do empathise.

Coming on the forum and spouting off that everyone who's ever undergone this procedure, is shit in bed and crazy as a loon?
Nope. Sorry, been there, didn't turn out that way.
I'm sorry it did for you. I believe you that you say it was bad for you. That really sucks.
If the point of the procedure was unnecessary? That's worse.

But it's not me.
My problem with this whole thing, is the impression I'm getting that because this went really badly for some people? I need to look down on myself, to apply a label of damaged, deformed, deviant, wrong, bad. When it doesn't apply to me.

My not having a massive problem with my dick is not a problem.
Telling me a list of problems that can happen as a certainty, as if I'm somehow to stupid to notice that my dick doesn't work properly, when it does? No sale.

I don't have self esteem issues about this. I'm not going to start having them just to take one for the team.

Unnecessary surgical procedures should never be performed on anyone.
As @somerandomguy just put rather eloquently. "One slip of the knife and forever have something to regret."
Agreed.
The knife should never be there unless it's necessary. That's a good way to advocate that. Being sceptical of anyone who is going to do something to you, learning about it, making sure the decision is the right one for the situation. This is good for people to do.
Educating expectant parents of the possible risk of such unnecessary surgery. Encouraging them not to do it, or wait for the child to be old enough to decide for themselves? Great.

Trying to bring me down? No thank you.

Would I have any children I sire circumcised? Nope. Not unless it's absolutely necessary.

Will I beat myself up about it, should one day it become necessary? Nope.
Because it would not a decision based on a whim, or for silly reasons like aesthetics.

I don't need to feel bad about it to feel for you and other men who have suffered from this. So I'm not going to.