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Unfunny Funny Story - Therapist’s Reaction To Trauma Details

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I had interesting therapy this week. I shared a detail that I was sort of unwilling to share because it is graphic and gruesome but it just fell off me.
Well the reaction of my therapist was negative like I assaulted her. I recognized it right away and apologized for causing vicarious trauma which is something I suffer from as well. She defensively said in a stern (or seemed stern) "You do not need to worry about me. I can take care of myself"

I was like the adult in the room for a second. I had a dream after it that someone stole something from me and everybody knew about it and no one would help me find the thing or the person or help me call the cops.

Strange journey in therapy. Not sure what to make of it but I realized how much time I really waste thinking, dissecting and worrying about my past in therapy, on this site and how much I am not re-living that nightmare in my life. What gives?

Any take.

PS. I am not offended at the reaction but I am saddened by it. She could have expanded about why I was so worried about my words hurting her. It would have taken me to think about my siblings but alas, we did not and I am OK I went there alone again.
 
Well the reaction of my therapist was negative like I assaulted her.
That's your interpretation of her reaction. You might be correct, you might not. How about the possibility that she DID think the detail was gruesome and her reaction was something more like empathy? Maybe she didn't actually feel traumatized herself, just sorry that you had been? I imagine that there are a lot of possibilities
She defensively said in a stern (or seemed stern) "You do not need to worry about me. I can take care of myself"
I've had versions of that conversation with my T several times. He shows his emotions. I tend not, to and I was raised to feel responsible for other people's feelings. Sometimes this has been a little hard, but I'm beginning to realize that I'm NOT always responsible for other people's feelings and that he really CAN take care of himself. I suppose it might be hard to express that in a way that perfectly makes the point in one go.
She could have expanded about why I was so worried about my words hurting her.
You can still go back and talk about this, can't you? And it might be worthwhile.
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@scout86

Thank you for your great response. I resonated your take on my reaction

That's your interpretation of her reaction. You might be correct, you might not. How about the possibility that she DID think the detail was gruesome and her reaction was something more like empathy? Maybe she didn't actually feel traumatized herself, just sorry that you had been? I imagine that there are a lot of possibilities


Yes you are right. I was assaulted as a child often and consistently for many year so no wonder I would see that on her face as I recounted how I was assaulted. The human mind is truly a rich organ.

About her showing her emotions, I get it, of course but I also think there is a time appropriate for that and not when I was charged. If I am seeing "assaults" and recounting horrific events, no reason a professional therapist needs to show her feelings of defense and protection of self. It is counterproductive. But as I type this I feel that also of course she is human and cannot really know how I feel all the time either. However, knowing her defense/protection needs should be basic by now not something she needs to prove to me. I have not been with her for a long time and actually I only hire her for short time too so maybe all connected.

Right at this moment, I feel I was charged then and was seeing the internalization of my monsters in her. I am so here and now, NOW that I also feel you are right the look on her about my disclosure was empathy. I feel bad I misread her.

I will bring this up again.

thank you so much for helping me dissect this. I find this website quite good because people are really relatedable.
 
It sounds like a great thing to discuss further with her. As Scout said. I think it will also help her know more about what is useful to you when sharing graphic things.

I have seen others suffering from trauma who become very upset when the therapist doesn't react when they tell them something. As I have listened to people over time I have more and more realised how unique we are and that it is impossible for people to read our minds. Just like we cant assume what others are experiencing or need. Its a process.

Well done for sharing.
 
I've seen that. I know she's human. I like that. For me if she was never emotional I don't think I could have done nearly as well with her. She's real. I can feel her. She made me trust her and feel safe. A cold person across from me could never have drawn me out. It took a long time though and I had to work real hard at it also.
 
Well the reaction of my therapist was negative like I assaulted her.
This is very strong language to describe the events that occurred. The typical therapist would respond to an assault by saying stop, requesting help, calling police, etc. Instead, it sounds like she had a facial expression and made a statement that you interpreted to be one of self-defense. That's very different than "like I assaulted her."

Are there any other possible interpretations for the facial expression and statement she made other than one of self-defense? Or are you sure you have read her mind correctly, and her intent was to protect herself?
She defensively said in a stern (or seemed stern) "You do not need to worry about me. I can take care of myself"
Is there another more effective way she could have redirected you that you are there to work on you, not to be her therapist?

I am not offended at the reaction but I am saddened by it. She could have expanded about why I was so worried about my words hurting her. It would have taken me to think about my siblings but alas, we did not and I am OK I went there alone again.
Why didn't you take her with you? What held you back from sharing with her about your siblings?
 
Thank you guys. I am still processing this and realizing something else.

I feel that I have a lot of unprocessed childhood rage - you know there is no way I was not mad and angry to be violated as a child for so long, but this is the pickle. I am not in any shape of form in negative environment today. I also work with vulnerable clients and I truly hear and contain their pain with basic things in life.

In therapy though, I feel, no matter what, my rage still rages underground. I am not acting on it but I am definitely a bit in the "fighting fog"...you know that feeling of when someone is a bit of high strung. I am literally dissecting my soul here.
Like I am very comfortable saying no to the therapist or that thank you for saying that but that is not what I feel. This is what I feel or I may say, maybe you are right but I do not feel that exactly now. I will let you know if I do though and usually do if they were right if not, well I do not bring it up. I move on. In short, I am quite good about my boundaries and conscious about being influenced. There can be some blind-spot but so far I may say no if not feeling something or yes if right on.

So now, the rage undercurrent, I can only see it as a retrospect not exactly when I am in it. I feel (please feel free to chime in) that my rage can be projected sometimes and I find the therapist (this is my 3rd one) never really come out during this projection and say something about it. For example, I deal with very vulnerable clients who are often angry not projecting, really angry because they think whatever is wrong I or the org I present did. the anger is palpable and I acknowledge it is not my anger so I am very good at staying grounded and assisting them. This is not easy for most of my co-workers who consider these type of clients as hostile. I truly feel they have the right to be angry and for sure not at me cause I did not make the policy. So I find myself at peace holding them and helping them in the way I can. There are occasions where I get those that are polite but still angry and I completely relate to them and assist them still the same. So my rage is not, in other words, spillage to my life in general.

In therapy, I find the therapist must be able to detect when I am projecting rage (that is probably unbearable for me)...what I do not like is this - no therapist ever asked me anything about anger or rage or even how did I deal with that when I was a child? which I know now can be extremely truly helpful. I find they feel my anger,rage, terror but for some reason (and maybe rightfully) feel scared or something and do not say anything and by the time I figure it out, it is so long after that the experience has its own life.... of like well, I hate they must have detected this and did not say anything...now this is a new anger and maybe some shame as ooh gosh I was raging all these times and the therapists were just humoring me or what...it is almost like they created a little fake reality for me to drown - lots of issues here...not that much different than my past.

I am quite an informed consumer about therapy or I think I am, I would hate to be un-informed consumer in therapy...i would be gone madder than when I walked in or would not figure this shit out like 16 yrs down the road and 20 therapists.

Now today, I am feeling, I was probably projecting the feeling I had when I was assaulted as a child as I told the story. The problem was she asked me questions about did therapy ever help? why cannt I not get over this? or how could she guide me? To me, these types of questions sounded like she felt she was helpless to help me....as I swam in my own memory of being assaulted and projecting my anger from then to her now subconsciously. She felt like I was not help-able.

Would not it be more beneficial for me if she would have acknowledge my rage and said something like - I can imagine when that happened to you as a child, you would be enraged or scared or wanted to protect yourself? something along those lines that could start to empower me.

Writing this down is making me feel quite calm as if I am providing that missing link to myself...and actually providing that empowerment to myself as a child! I am feeling quite grateful actually I am writing and experiencing at the same time.

I just feel the parallel universe where I may not have the capacity to process and go around and around for many years, raging in therapy and wondering why the therapists are defending or protecting themselves from me or worse not even registering that and just going around forever projecting my primal emotions and most therapists do not want to frame their counter-transference appropriately to help me or anyone else like me.

I am just realizing this and it makes me sad. It is almost like therapists prefer I project the rage and will not do anything until I go mad and start to act on it....and then of course, the alliance is in jeopardy because I am crazy or borderline (their favourte nick name for anyone that challenges the status quo). I am not anywhere near in acting out on my rage because I am semi-conscious about it but obviously not fully in depth as I am still realizing after the facts that ooh yeah, I was projecting rage then but always after the sessions.

And whenever I reach this deep and try to share, then I am doing the interpretation and making the therapist obsolete. Where in fact in my little mind, I can only do this interpretation BECAUSE I am in therapy not lack of therapy. I did get the noise of that is not how therapy is done and that I should have "we" came up with the interpretation or focus on the feeling which is precisely what I do except that feeling comes when I am not in therapy and can grief and then share it in therapy. But therapists prefer the processing takes place infront of them and how is that possible? I only see therapist twice a month. I have all the other times to process and write and grief.

But the conundrum is unless a therapist uses her/his counter-transference appropriate, I write each session and will get to the source much faster since I have more access to me.

This could be all my own blind-spot of thinking, vapid and/or un-verifiable issues but I do feel so far I have not ever been asked about rage in therapy. I have been asked about abandonment and other usual garden variety and what I called soft ball issues (for me...I understand these can be deadly for others). But rage, I am finding is still un-frontier areas in trauma unless you are in jail, or aggressive in intimate relationships or with others. But unprocessed and internalized rage (from childhood) is so lagging in therapy that I am finding maybe I should become therapist myself and have a clinic that just deals with anger, rage, aggression internally managed or externally acted out.

I feel abandonment is real for a lot of people (it is not one of my deepest core issues personally) but I also believe anyone who ever has been violated especially as a child will have rage - it is the natural reaction of trauma and yet, most underrated and hated emotion in therapy. It is just sad all over. I am differing anger and rage even though I am able to regulate both, I feel I am spending extra amount of energy to regulate rage. Anger I am OK with it and actually even sublimate it with being active in some positive circles in motivating people.


Anyhow, thank you for reading this long conscious streaming and hope it is easy to understand.

Thank you for your thoughts. Each post gave me another angle to look at myself and my situation. Even this much focus on this process is split rage on my part so thank you for your support and helping see things differently.
 
This is very strong language to describe the events that occurred. The typical therapist would respond to an assault by saying stop, requesting help, calling police, etc. Instead, it sounds like she had a facial expression and made a statement that you interpreted to be one of self-defense. That's very different than "like I assaulted her."
Thank you Justmehere for your comments. I think I was writing while you posted this. I hope some of your comments are answered in my new post.

The word of wisdom I am hearing is I was so much in transference that I am giving my thoughts as hers? and most likely you are right. Since I am not there now, it seems that way.

Thank you again for taking time to twist my words to show me the flip side
 
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The word of wisdom I am hearing is was I so much in transference that I am giving my thoughts as hers? and most likely you are right. Since I am not there now, it seems that way.
It's this, and more than this. You attempted to read her mind, and got caught up in projecting your thoughts on to her... the other half of the issue is that you seem to expect her to know what's on your mind without letting her know.

You have described a number of things that you would like her to do, you expect her to do, and you describe her asking...
how could she guide me?
It might help to tell her the things you think she could do that would help:
Would not it be more beneficial for me if she would have acknowledge my rage and said something like - I can imagine when that happened to you as a child, you would be enraged or scared or wanted to protect yourself? something along those lines that could start to empower me.
It would probably help you make the progress you would like to make to her know you would like to jump into childhood more instead of just getting frustrated she doesn't already know.
 
Wow!!!!!!
It's this, and more than this. You attempted to read her mind, and got caught up in projecting your thoughts on to her... the other half of the issue is that you seem to expect her to know what's on your mind without letting her know.

You have described a number of things that you would like her to do, you expect her to do, and you describe her asking...


I think you hit a nerve! One of my deep core issues that I could not pinpoint and even truly showed up in my dreams often is this: I want the therapist's counter-transference. In short I want them to read my mind and provide me what I need from their counter-transference. I GOT ANGRY that they keep that feeling from me. OMG!!! I am shaking here and getting goosepumps all over! even dizzy as I write this.

My mother of course did not give a shit about me or my feelings so I disappeared into always being ready for her when she was in the mood to beat or feed or whatever and I expect the therapists to do the same! I will just sit here and you, the therapist, should now what cause you will feel it in your stomach and I expect you to tell me your feeling TO KNOW MY FEELING!

omg!!!!!!

Hey @Justmehere , thank you so much.
I am going to write this down in my diary so I can re-read your comments.

Thank you so much!

I pray you find the same feeling you just induced in me.

Love
 
In therapy, I find the therapist must be able to detect when I am projecting rage
"Must"? I grew up learning to keep my feelings to myself. (Or to ignore them completely.) One of the things I'm learning in therapy is that, no matter what I'm feeling or thinking, no matter how "obvious" it seems to me, my T can't actually read my mind. And he's really good at what he does. We've had a couple of incidents where we talked through what happened later. I'm sure about this. His response is something like, "I could see we hit a nerve. I didn't realize it was THAT kind of nerve."

If expressing anger wasn't something it was ok to do, and you learned not to, I wouldn't necessarily be confident that a therapist (or anyone else) knows what's going on inside your head.

@Justmehere , I think you beat me to this. LOL I'm only posting to reinforce that it's not just you, @grit
 
I think the beauty of the ugly really of trauma is the parent or the perpetrator takes over the child's mind and that is why it feels like I am at the mercy of the therapist to read my mind like my mother did or believed as a child my mother could. It is truly sad, how broken I am still and it is just as beautiful how you guys not knowing me but just reading my blah on the internet can truly feel and express these things back to me...which means you felt my pain in searching a meaning and you related to me as a human.

I am so humbled now. It is unbelievable feeling!
 
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