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OH THANK GOD!

It’s nice to know I’m not alone.

Oh, totally not alone. I've talked to many on here that can"t speak when suicidal but can type. JL gave me chat and text suicide hotlines. I have yet to use them but they wouldn't exist if that wasn't a thing that happens to many people. So, totally not alone. Most likely not common but still not alone!

Is it then safe to say if he’s not reaching out, he isn’t missing me much?

It depends. Do you know for sure that he is numb? Or is he simply just gone? Gone does not equal numb. Not in the slightest. It matters because when numb I feel nothing. I have no ability to miss someone nor do I have the ability to fall out of love with someone because both of those things requires emotions and when numb, I am numb. No emotions at all.

If not numb, I can miss someone terribly and not reach out. Not reaching out has nothing to do with missing you. Apples and oranges. Two different topics.
 
Oh, totally not alone. I've talked to many on here that can"t speak when suicidal but can type. JL gave me chat and text suicide hotlines. I have yet to use them but they wouldn't exist if that wasn't a thing that happens to many people. So, totally not alone. Most likely not common but still not alone!



It depends. Do you know for sure that he is numb? Or is he simply just gone? Gone does not equal numb. Not in the slightest. It matters because when numb I feel nothing. I have no ability to miss someone nor do I have the ability to fall out of love with someone because both of those things requires emotions and when numb, I am numb. No emotions at all.

If not numb, I can miss someone terribly and not reach out. Not reaching out has nothing to do with missing you. Apples and oranges. Two different topics.
I’m not sure if he’s numb or just gone. How can I tell the difference? And if you miss someone terribly, what stops you from reaching out to him/her?
 
Ugh..this discussion of whether you miss someone...it hurts. I reached out one last time to my ex w PTSD. It is so frustrating because all I wanted to do was meet with him on my birthday. Our emails/IMs are so full of misunderstandings..I hate trying to correct his mis-interpretations of what I am trying to say in my emails.

Meanwhile, he said straight up, that "I am not missing it"..meaning our relationship. It's only been a couple of months! How could he be over me so soon? Meanwhile a day does not go by that I don't think of him and it hurts. I'm living with constant pain. It's hard not to get upset and angry when someone tells you something like that. I just replied with a curt "Must be nice to be able to get over things so quickly and easily. I won't be reaching out to you again." Why would I reach out, when I just get my hand slapped? And end up hurting even worse?

So, I don't know whether "I'm over it" is a case of methinks thou doest protest too much, or he really IS over it. He also said he had no interest in analyzing why things didn't work btwn us because it would hurt him too much. So..mixed messages, much?
 
@LovingH I'm sorry you're in such pain.

It's only been a couple of months! How could he be over me so soon?

For what it's worth, my ex was over me almost instantly. The timeline went like this:

-Madly in love with no problems with the relationship whatsoever. She calls it her dream relationship, healthiest relationship she's ever had, etc.

-She suddenly starts isolating (I give her space)

-Three weeks later: She breaks up with me over the phone. She sounds emotionally numb at this point.

-One month later: after hearing she had left her job and was moving back home, I finally get her to meet in person before she leaves (she would only do so in a public place). At this point, she is not only so over it, she talks about the relationship as if we just went on a couple days like ten years ago. There was just zero empathy or effort to be kind, and she frankly couldn't understand why I was so beat up about it.

Must be nice to be able to get over things so quickly and easily

I think about this a lot. I wish I could turn my feelings off like a switch.

I'm still reeling from the effects of such a mind-f*cking experience, while she just completely moved on with her life as if it was no big deal from the moment she ended the relationship. Keep in mind, this was the deepest connection either of us had, and spent a lot of time talking about things like that, talking about a future together, etc. Even in a normal breakup, even if breaking up was the right choice for her (which she has every right to make), there would be some sadness around it. My ex, who would cry when she saw a cute dog on the street, never shed a tear.
 
@LovingH I'm sorry you're in such pain.


For what it's worth, my ex was over me almost instantly. ...

I'm still reeling from the effects of such a mind-f*cking experience, while she just completely moved on with her life as if it was no big deal from the moment she ended the relationship. Keep in mind, this was the deepest connection either of us had, and spent a lot of time talking about things like that, talking about a future together, etc. Even in a normal breakup, even if breaking up was the right choice for her (which she has every right to make), there would be some sadness around it. My ex, who would cry when she saw a cute dog on the street, never shed a tear.

I'm so so so sorry.

My ex followed the pattern I've seen other people post about. 6 months of bliss. Then suddenly, getting cold..wanting space..I think he also has some immaturity issues. He had made a comment about how we should walk away "when it's not fun anymore." Which messed with my head, as did him pulling away from me when he'd been so incredibly sweet the whole time before that.

A lot of other complicated stuff happened, that I've posted about...I'm not saying the problems after that were ALL him. But this last time of me reaching out..I was focusing on all the wonderful things about him that I miss, and I'm met with "oh, I'm not even angry anymore..I don't think about what went wrong. I'm not missing it. Why can't you just wish me the best and hope I find happiness and move on?" etc.

Yet he also said maybe we could be "friends" down the road.

Really hurts.
 
@LuckiLee I ask myself this a lot. I also ask it out loud in therapy every once in a while too. I don't know the answer myself, but some guesses I've made as far as it relates to my experience:

-I think the emotional whiplash of it just f*cked with my brain, and has lodged the whole experience in there like a bullet. A normal, sudden breakup would hurt for a while, but for this it's like the woman who was genuinely in love with me one day felt nothing for me the next. Like a switch. Not only that, but her personality completely changed. Hell, even her vocabulary changed. It didn't feel like a breakup, it felt like my girlfriend died. But worse, she was still there, in body, not caring about me one bit. It's one thing to lose romantic feelings for someone, that happens all the time and, barring anything nasty going down, you often hear people saying "I'll always care for that person." She stopped caring, without any kind of impetus for it. To go from being so intensely loved one minute to discarded and spoken to as if you're worthless the next... it's the kind of thing where if a friend experienced it, I'd say just drop this person from your mind, they are f*cked up. I wish I knew how to do that for myself.

-As seems to be a common theme on here, when the relationship was in its honeymoon phase, she appeared to be my perfect woman. I even actively looked for something wrong with her, and couldn't come up with anything. Now, obviously no one's perfect, and it wasn't always going to be sunshine and rainbows. She wasn't some dream girl (obviously, now). But she did have all the qualities I looked for in a partner, especially how unbelievably loving and kind she was. It was her character, really. I respected the hell out of her before we got together, then as we started dating and got closer I just couldn't believe how many boxes she checked. And for me, it took me my whole life to that point find someone like that. That's a hard thing to let go, especially when there was no gradual degradation of the relationship. It went from 100 to 0 in an instant.

-Then I think it's watching someone you love so much struggle, even as they are treating you like garbage. My ex was in incredible pain. She was feeling suicidal and having panic attacks, which is likely what led to her becoming emotionally numb. While we were dating, I saw a genuinely happy person. She was reconnecting with herself and her dreams in a way that she hadn't in years, and even her best friend told me, "When I look at her now, this is the girl I remember growing up with." So for her to change, to become emotionally flat, to start going out and drinking every night, to basically use avoidance in all its forms to cope... I wish I could help her. I know I can't. I know she feels like she doesn't need help (even though before she went numb she specifically told me she needed help and was researching therapists). But there's just something about seeing the person you care about clearly struggling... I don't know, maybe I'm a bleeding heart, but it's hard for me to not care. In a lot of ways I wish I could stop caring as quickly as she did.
 
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Looking back.... Every breakup I went through I thought how could I live without them. We were so in love how could it be over??? People break up for millions of different reasons. Avoiding their disorder is a huge "red flag". They can't fix or change anything unless they want to.

I think intense relationships bring symptoms to the surface and when they have been trying to avoid everything for years and even decades it brings it all back up again. It doesn't feel safe anymore.
 
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In my case he didn't break up w me. Just started acting weird. I interpreted it as fear of us getting too close and him getting hurt. I was the one who broke up cuz his ignoring my msgs triggered me. He was devastated when i did that and seemed blindsided.

Me breaking up triggered him and he projected his abusive ex onto me. I thought he needed more time to wk out his past but didnt quite know how to handle the projection. It got complicated. I don't think it's a clear case of rejection.

He is in therapy and I wd have gone to see a sep cpls counselor w him.

At one point he and i both thought we were perfect for each other. Our connection was deep.
 
I’m responsible for enough people’s deaths / I don’t like killing people on accident. Understatement.
Omg same w my ex.

His ex killed herself on his birthday. He had a friend commit suicide.

He seemed afraid i would too. He said he blamed himself for ppl around him doing this. I told him he isnt that powerful.
 
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