Other System - Is it possible to have a system and not notice it until older?

[binchilling]

Is it possible to have a system and not notice it both from the environment and ourselves until later ages? This scaries me

 

[Friday]

It depends on what you mean by system.

Most sociologists & anthropologists (& some/many/most psychologists) agree that nearly everyone has a system / facets of personality/ personas tailored to certain environments (mommy, CEO, table dancer, and a dozen or more discrete/unique combinations of personality meeting action = Just. One. Normal. Person’s. Life.). Primarily explored during the teens and early 20’s… until the hard limits between personas & facets are defined by the indivudal.

So… 99.999% of people have a system that they’re not well aware of until they’re older.

00.001% of people have a disorder on board limiting self awareness (LFA to Down’s syndrome to DID).. that merely a few years reduce the inawareness to 0.0001%. Again, billions & hundreds of millions of normal systems to hundreds & tens of extremes (in either direction).

To put into context: 6 in 10,000 have different coloured eyes. IE, are “common”, not “rare”. As Opposed to 1:1,000.0000,000 (extremely rare).

Normal. Rare. Very rare. Exceptionally rare. Extremely rare.

“Systems”? Are NORMAL.
AWARENESS of systems Rare.
Actual DID? Extremely rare.

1:10,00
1:100,000
1:100,000,000.
1:000,000,000,000.

Systems? 1:1.

 

[binchilling]

It depends on what you mean by system.

Most sociologists & anthropologists (& some/many/most psychologists) agree that nearly everyone has a system / facets of personality/ personas tailored to certain environments (mommy, CEO, table dancer, and a dozen or more discrete/unique combinations of personality meeting action = Just. One. Normal. Person’s. Life.). Primarily explored during the teens and early 20’s… until the hard limits between personas & facets are defined by the indivudal.

So… 99.999% of people have a system that they’re not well aware of until they’re older.

00.001% of people have a disorder on board limiting self awareness (LFA to Down’s syndrome to DID).. that merely a few years reduce the inawareness to 0.0001%. Again, billions & hundreds of millions of normal systems to hundreds & tens of extremes (in either direction).

To put into context: 6 in 10,000 have different coloured eyes. IE, are “common”, not “rare”. As Opposed to 1:1,000.0000,000 (extremely rare).

Normal. Rare. Very rare. Exceptionally rare. Extremely rare.

“Systems”? Are NORMAL.
AWARENESS of systems Rare.
Actual DID? Extremely rare.

1:10,00
1:100,000
1:100,000,000.
1:000,000,000,000.

Systems? 1:1.

Then what is the difference between system and osdd did

 

[Friday]

Then what is the difference between system and osdd did

The difference between totally normal human experience & an extremely rare condition on the narrowest end of the spectrum?

 

[binchilling]

The difference between totally normal human experience & an extremely rare condition on the narrowest end of the spectrum?

Which psychs confirm system as a normal human expriences?

 

[Sideways]

Which psychs confirm system as a normal human expriences?

Are you asking:
Which psychiatrists can confirm my experience is normal?
Arguably all of them.

And, to be honest, I’d recommend you pursue this. Your persistence in attempting to pathologise your internal experience speaks to a personality disturbance that warrants clinical attention.

 

[Friday]

I have ADHD. Which effects my trauma history, and PTSD, in a VERY predictable way… I IMAGINE a zillion different courses of action, ending in a few different outcomes. (The overwhelming majority end in the exact same outcome(s). Plural, because a much longer explanation.).

You have OCD. Which is effecting your life in VERY predictable ways.

I know & love people with OCD. You? Could be their poster child. Drilling down into EVERY “normal” moment, looking for patterns, other reasons, other causes.

Everyone I know with OCD? Is a superstar. Professionally. Because they turn their disorder into “magic”. But? Their personal lives are still hard. I SEE you, on that cusp. Of either accepting & using that dx as a strength in your life, or? Attempting to disavow the OCD and fixate on something else, to divert.

Which? Is clever. Which means I reeeeally see you as a very young version of one of the badass adults I know. Struggling with accepting what is -vs- the potential they could foresee. BECAUSE? (The foresight) OF their ocd.

You? Are lovely, and enthusiastic, and detailed, and driven, and have sooo much potential. Don’t waste THAT on rabbit holes. You’re better than this. Embrace the vivacity, use your strengths, eliminate/minimize the weaknesses.

Yes. Your parents arguments, with your OCD, created a crucible… for you. That turned your world on its head. And now? You have a choice, in where you direct your energy/momentum/magic. SEIZE IT. Don’t dilute it. f*ck fear. Take the strength. Enjoy life to its hilt. BE who you want to save you. Or? Well that’s boring. I’m not even going to explore the “or”. Not for someone with your sensitivity & creativity.

I find cock fighting abominable. But? Truth be told, I DO love fried chicken.

Complexities? Are a thing. To be embraced, rather than feared.

 

[binchilling]

The difference between totally normal human experience & an extremely rare condition on the narrowest end of the spectrum?

I have ADHD. Which effects my trauma history, and PTSD, in a VERY predictable way… I IMAGINE a zillion different courses of action, ending in a few different outcomes. (The overwhelming majority end in the exact same outcome(s). Plural, because a much longer explanation.).

You have OCD. Which is effecting your life in VERY predictable ways.

I know & love people with OCD. You? Could be their poster child. Drilling down into EVERY “normal” moment, looking for patterns, other reasons, other causes.

Everyone I know with OCD? Is a superstar. Professionally. Because they turn their disorder into “magic”. But? Their personal lives are still hard. I SEE you, on that cusp. Of either accepting & using that dx as a strength in your life, or? Attempting to disavow the OCD and fixate on something else, to divert.

Which? Is clever. Which means I reeeeally see you as a very young version of one of the badass adults I know. Struggling with accepting what is -vs- the potential they could foresee. BECAUSE? (The foresight) OF their ocd.

You? Are lovely, and enthusiastic, and detailed, and driven, and have sooo much potential. Don’t waste THAT on rabbit holes. You’re better than this. Embrace the vivacity, use your strengths, eliminate/minimize the weaknesses.

Yes. Your parents arguments, with your OCD, created a crucible… for you. That turned your world on its head. And now? You have a choice, in where you direct your energy/momentum/magic. SEIZE IT. Don’t dilute it. f*ck fear. Take the strength. Enjoy life to its hilt. BE who you want to save you. Or? Well that’s boring. I’m not even going to explore the “or”. Not for someone with your sensitivity & creativity.

I find cock fighting abominable. But? Truth be told, I DO love fried chicken.

Complexities? Are a thing. To be embraced, rather than feared.

If I only have OCD, why am I dealing with DPDR and other dissociative symptoms? And I also don't know if trauma and OCD are related. Additionally, my question is 3If I only have OCD, why am I dealing with DPDR and other dissociative symptoms? And I also don't know if trauma and OCD are related. Additionally, my question is Additionally, my des score is over 30.

Are you asking:
Which psychiatrists can confirm my experience is normal?
Arguably all of them.

And, to be honest, I’d recommend you pursue this. Your persistence in attempting to pathologise your internal experience speaks to a personality disturbance that warrants clinical attention.

No, what I want to ask is that having a system is not universal and is quite rare, but I wonder which psychiatrists would argue that this is a universal experience.

 

[Friday]

Additionally, my question is Additionally, my des score is over 30.

58 & 88.

DEPENDING on which version of the DES is given.

Neither of which lands me anywhere close to DID.

As both? Well within the “normal” range for ADHD+PTSD. No delusional or dissociative disorder necessary. “Just” comorbid with 2 disorders high on the dissociative spectrum.

If I only have OCD, why am I dealing with DPDR and other dissociative symptoms?

1. DP/DR is part of the normal human experience.
2. DP/DR is part of OCD. (Or “magical thinking” would NOT be a symptom… “Magical Thinking” IS disassociation).
3. Deal with ‘normal’.
4. Deal with ‘normal FOR’ (insert dsorder here).
5. Deal with ONLY normal for ABC.

 

[Sideways]

Is it possible to have a system and not notice it both from the environment and ourselves until later ages?

Returning to this question (because derealisation, and depersonalisation, are simply coping skills for stress, and if they aren’t creating dysfunction in your life, they aren’t pathology, they’re simply ‘you’):-

The idea that a human has multiple ‘parts’ to their self, or their self concept, or their internal experience, or ego, or consciousness, or whatever you want to call it, is as old as psychology.

“The psyche is a self-regulating system that maintains equilibrium just as the body does…The natural state of of the human psyche consists in a jostling together of it’s component parts and their contradictory behaviour”. Carl Jung

The you that goes to work and has a meeting with your boss is not the same you that goes clubbing with your mates or the you that blubbers on the couch in front of Beaches re-runs. The development of insight into those different component parts later in age is called insight.

The existence of a system, rather than a coherent singular, personality or self has, in more recent years, been confirmed by neuroscience (see split-brain studies, or Gazzangia’s “The Social Brain”).

The fact that you have parts to your personality is no more pathological than the fact that you can feel angry and frustrated at a person you love, or bored of your favourite flavour of ice-cream.

Depersonalisation and derealisation can be experienced to a degree that they cause significant impairment in a person’s ability to function. That can lead to a diagnosis of a DP/DR disorder.

But that has nothing to do with being diagnosed with DID, or having a system. In fact, anyone who spends a lot of time around people with serious mental illness of almost any kind will tell you that people living with mental illness (like OCD) necessarily become expert at compartmentalising their personality, having seemingly functional ‘selves’ that carry on their social and professional lives, apparently quite independently of their unwell ‘self’.

What is abnormal is a persistent preoccupation with pathologising normal experiences. That can be a mental disorder all by itself.

Don’t do that. You’re at a choice point.
Choose reality.

 

[binchilling]

Returning to this question (because derealisation, and depersonalisation, are simply coping skills for stress, and if they aren’t creating dysfunction in your life, they aren’t pathology, they’re simply ‘you’):-

The idea that a human has multiple ‘parts’ to their self, or their self concept, or their internal experience, or ego, or consciousness, or whatever you want to call it, is as old as psychology.



The you that goes to work and has a meeting with your boss is not the same you that goes clubbing with your mates or the you that blubbers on the couch in front of Beaches re-runs. The development of insight into those different component parts later in age is called insight.

The existence of a system, rather than a coherent singular, personality or self has, in more recent years, been confirmed by neuroscience (see split-brain studies, or Gazzangia’s “The Social Brain”).

The fact that you have parts to your personality is no more pathological than the fact that you can feel angry and frustrated at a person you love, or bored of your favourite flavour of ice-cream.

Depersonalisation and derealisation can be experienced to a degree that they cause significant impairment in a person’s ability to function. That can lead to a diagnosis of a DP/DR disorder.

But that has nothing to do with being diagnosed with DID, or having a system. In fact, anyone who spends a lot of time around people with serious mental illness of almost any kind will tell you that people living with mental illness (like OCD) necessarily become expert at compartmentalising their personality, having seemingly functional ‘selves’ that carry on their social and professional lives, apparently quite independently of their unwell ‘self’.

What is abnormal is a persistent preoccupation with pathologising normal experiences. That can be a mental disorder all by itself.

Don’t do that. You’re at a choice point.
Choose reality.

Do you have DID?

 

[Rose White]

which psychiatrists would argue that this is a universal experience

Eric Berne, Richard Schwartz
@binchilling Check these two dudes out. I think you’ll have fun learning about them and who influenced them, etc.