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Emotional Neglect?

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Right on. growing up and having kids that you love unconditionally is an eye opener if you were treated like an unwanted member of your birth family. I show more concern for my dogs than they did for me. And I knew it was bad and not right as a kid, but now I see what I took as misdemeanors as felonies, there is no forgetting it happened after you see how amazingly bad it was with adult eyes.
 
Because it is your normality you don't always realise it is abuse until someone iin my case, my T, tells you that it is not a normal way to be treated.

Yeah- totally relate to this. I don't think I knew what "love" really was. My current husband loves me very much, but it took five or six YEARS of him pouring love into me for me to come to recognize it, trust it and accept it. I'm still afraid it's going to be taken away and I'll be left back where I was... only without all the defense mechanisms I developed as I grew up.

I think clinging to these old defenses is probably hindering healing from the PTSD. Sometimes believing that I'm ok, or that people like me, or that someone actually wants to listen to me talk feels like stepping out on a shaky rope bridge & waiting for the planks to break under my feet.
 
Modern life was the reason why my mum was like that, She could not cope. She had 2 nervous breakdowns and also collaped and was hospitalised with an infection in her brain.

Anna- felt a lot of similarities between your story and mine. I think my mother was/is mentally ill, too. Which gives the neglect a curiously impersonal flavor. She couldn't help it, I think. She didn't really mean it. In my mom's case, I knew all my life that she had been horribly abused by her parents. So I felt like I had to excuse all her crazy behaviors. I would get angry with her sometimes, but I always felt like I had to be understanding... like I had to be a big girl and take care of her.

A lot of times I was forced to apologize to her for things she had done to me. It was a crazy, twisted, messed up way to live.

People with serious mental illness can't be there for their kids. And yet... we were still just kids. Someone should have been there. Someone should have held us and comforted us and taken care of us. I was a little kid without the resources to support and care for a mentally ill parent and my brothers and sister.

It's been hard for me to speak up and say, "My mom neglected me" because I've been protecting her and defending her for so long. It's hard to shift the blame where it belongs. Yes, she was abused. But no, she didn't get the help she could have. She didn't reach out. She didn't educate herself. She didn't try to heal. She wallowed in her mental illness (which was more than she could cope with), and I bore the brunt of it. In some ways I was a child sacrifice on the altar of keeping peace in the family.

And that was not fair. Not perhaps all her fault, but she does carry some blame for it. There are people on this forum from my mother's generation who were abused much more and who reached out for healing. Who have done a good job of trying to be there for their kids. She does hold some responsibility for the choices she made, and the fact that it was just plain easier for her to check out of situations and abandon me emotionally.
 
Back when I was first getting therapy, at 21, my T said she had not come across anyone with such self-hatred. She asked me questions that all the answers added up to me being a good person...but I could not feel that.

Over the years, after much agony, I sort of did an 'emotional' geneology (sp) regarding my family. It helped me understand why my parents, and even their siblings, had such cold demeanors. Being raised in the Great Depression effected their parents, and grandparents.

If you do not know how to speak the 'language' of love, or do not know what children need for their emotions to develop, how can you possibly live or teach it?

From what I've read, a lot of you have broken the 'chain' of emotional ignorance, as I was able to do. Both of my brother's children are open and loving, as is my son, the way it should have been from the start.

My mother would not be able to take the truth, she has early dementia. What I have told dad, broke his heart, but changed him! Now we have a very open relationship that we are able to discuss emotions. As he is a retired missionary/pastor, he is my very own live-in pastor. Mother is, as she always has been. Present physically but not emotionally at all!! Oblivious to anyone else's needs.
 
Now, even though I know intellectually that I am good, in the back of my mind, dont apply for that job you wont get it and are probably not qualified, the single man that invited me for coffee is probably a nut job, my house will never sell, I will always be broke, my back will never get better, etc

Many years in between were very good. Im smack back in the middle of this crappy thought. I make a conscioous effort to change but its always there.

So exactly how I feel. It is always there. I try I can put on this really bold, confident, persona sometimes, and I have done that when I was working, but behind are all the doubts the bad thoughts, that come out eventually. Eventually you get tripped up, someone is horrible to you or something happens and that trips you up and then it all comes flooding back like a tsunami and you are swept away.

And now I am in that thought too. Nothing I can do will change me. I am like this, people can spot me a mile off, even when I try and cover it up and then they use me and I end up feeling even worse, ends up fuelling my own self-hatred. How does that ever change? All the breathing in the World will not change that.
 
Knak-yes to all

Lizio-I dont know the answer but I promise you I will keep looking and trying, and should I discover that answer, I will be here sharing with all. Please do the same, never give up. Somewhere in me know those messages are illusion and not truths and one day it will click. I have felt this way, then been well for almost 20 yrs, and am back. So I know there is hope....Hugs
 
I have a hard time thinking of my mom as having abused me, or at least admitting it. Although I know that my sister and I were often alone a lot and had to fend for ourselves, I also knew from the time I was about 9? that my mom and all my aunts had been abused by my grandfather. I wasn't told any details, just that I couldn't be alone with him because he liked little girls. It explained some of my mom's sort of crazy actions when I was a little kid that really traumatized me because she flipped out over strange things. She was also divorced and working and going to college at the same time when I was younger and I'm pretty proud of her for having managed to succeed but that sort of just makes it harder on me. I haven't been to a psychiatrist yet but if I am diagnosed with complex ptsd, I don't know if I can ever tell her about it. Even though she is finally starting to open up with me all these years later and seems like she is doing much better I still feel that she's very delicate sometimes. Does anyone else feel really bad about talking to their parents about these things? The stuff I mentioned feels kind of like it's just the icing on the cake, but nevertheless, I know my mom loves me, she's just kind of incomprehensible sometimes and I know it's because she suffered even worse things than I did.
 
Thanks for bringing up such a helpful topic, Angel2write, I relate to all the things you mention. For me, emotional neglect seems to have been the main basis for the various ptsd I went through as an adult. I always thought of the gravity of this type of neglect but couldn't find words to express it. All your comments are so helpful to me.
It affected my whole life with a complete inability to structure and organise things, work and built a normal life for myself.
Thanks to Sea for the links, with try to read them soon.
 
It is always there. I try I can put on this really bold, confident, persona sometimes, and I have done that when I was working, but behind are all the doubts the bad thoughts, that come out eventually. Eventually you get tripped up, someone is horrible to you or something happens and that trips you up and then it all comes flooding back like a tsunami and you are swept away.

Hi all,

Sorry I haven't been around too much - feeling swept away, flooded, thrashed about, dragged to the bottom, gasping for air, exhausted from swimming against myself, hating myself for not having taken cover on higher ground ahead of time, and now drowning once again in the tsunami that Lizio so aptly described. It is taking every ounce of my energy to write this here today, and angry with myself for not "finding the positive in all that is negative - or at least some humor).

For the frirst 20 years of my life I was voiceless, silent, and silenced - some of it was physical, some of it was demanded, some of it because I only existed to be sadistically abused, some of it from having it beaten out of me, some of it because I knew it would do no good, some of it because I was neither to be seen nor heard, some of it because it was of futile, and some of it because it only made things worse.

During those early years, my bio Mother, the web master and master string manipulator of me, her puppet, and my network of bio family members. She alternated between extreme abuse and extreme neglect, and the rest of them followed her lead. But the message was clear that I was unwanted, unloved, and did not deserve to take up space. When my mother, in particular, wanted to break me as if I was some while horse in need of being tamed or broken or to "know my no-place, so to speak, she would go on an endless tear of emotional torture. It came in waves, much like a tsunami, with 3 hours of continuous lashing insults, angry screaming, vehement hate, utter digust, and absolute condemnation of ALL things me.

And as if that wasn't enough to show me just how insignifant I was, those 3 hours would be followed by unimaginable neglect and abandonment of me and all my rudimentary yet essential needs that as a child were key to my survival, my safety, my security, my development, my trust, my identity, my worth, and my integrity. The comlete extent of it all and sheer cold blatant way in which it was done, is even, for me, too incomprehensible for words. Besides locking me up or locking me out of the house, food was withheld, bathroom privileges were denied, injuries and illnesses went unattended to medically, feelings were dismissed, compassionate care/interest were never shown, scholastic achievements were not praised, pain and tears were mocked, vision and dreams were squashed, and affection and love not granted.

It was as if the abuse, by her directly and the others both directly and indirectly, was only inflicted upon me to make the neglect felt more stronly by me - until I finally surrendered my status as human being in any and all regards. When I did manage to "physically" escape, my life stuttered along from one crisis to the next (with some successes along the way) all while fighting the messages of the abuse and the annihilation of the neglect. But I was determined to free myself from the chains of both.

And for a while I was working and "winning" with support, until I was fired for being gay which stopped me in my tracks. I would have rather been fired for poor performance than for being gay. Because, in this context it was not just discrimination done to me but negating neglect experienced by me. The entirety of me, my inherent worth and skills and past contributions, did not exist anymore, and all because a part (or in my own head, ALL) of who I was/am was revolting to others.

It took a while, but I managed to get back up from that blow enough to get back in the game, and to think I could again "win out". And I continued working/studying/growing for another few years before my then long-term therapist, yet paid supporter, passed away in a freak car accident while she was on vacation. Once notified, my "life came screeching to another halt" (for which someone just recently noted the euphemism in my own words). This combined with a surgical procedure brought all the endless ache of my tormenting deprivation, resulting from the neglect, to the forefront of my being. I was again swimming in the tsunami, but with even less "hope" than before (another euphemism, since my therapist's name was Hope).

After a substantial amount of time had passed, I again picked myself up, thought I had found a therapist who could help me put my derailed train back on the tracks of my life. I really believed it to be a good fit, and was just beginning to feel a touch of renewed interest and restored passion. However, nine months later it all blew up and tragically ended, with unprofessional/unnecessary cruelty, in her misconceptions, her written and spoken statements, and her devastating accusations. And although her mistreatment of me hurt, it was her total neglectful disregard for me, my needs, my humanity, and my loss that she dealt with so callousness that has leveled me and broken to the core of me - a wish that I once felt only my bio family would revel in!

Anyhow, I'm back to my halted life and drowning in the tsunami, without a boat or even a piece of driftwood in sight. And I don't see myself finding any dry land any time soon, or at all. Sorry for rambling on but thank you just the same (and for Lizio's metaphor that made it easier to oraganise and to put out here for all to see - so very hard to do and with many tears of regret for a life lost).

Looking for a flotation device...
Alex
 
So, Alex, whats the plan now? You are in a good place to find examples of people that have pulled themselves out of holes, I have to say you have a mighty tough hole to climb out of but do you think you can? I hope so, sounds like you are a fighter to be where you are now, keep it up. best thoughts to you brother.
 
I think childhood neglect sets up for adult trauma. After having to be invisible, without needs or wants, trying to be no trouble -you go out into the world without much esteem. May be very ripe to be loved. I was 17 when I got married. I can't believe that I was actually flattered that my husband was jealous of any male friends-wow-I must be pretty special. Abuse is insidious, within six months I was 7 months and hit for the first time. A year later, knocked down steps, 6 months later, raped in front of our 2 yr old, a year later head pounded, etc. I wasnt afraid of him either. Not until seperation did I become afraid. There were no laws to protect from abuse during seperation. After divorce, I married a man without emotion. He didnt show love but he didnt show anger either. He had no emotion. I got to heal and grow. After 20 yrs, we seperated and I was like that vulnerable kid again. I think emotional neglect happens in marraiges too. I am not a needy person and I did not expect a lot. I was very independent and busy raising kids. Adults can be very neglectful and witholding with each other.
 
Alex, I am sorry for the loss of both of your therapists. I have never heard of a therapist allowing let alone creating such a blow up and then deserting her clients needs. After the blow up. were you ever able to sit down and sort that out with her? One of the things that has helped me tremendously is to resolve conflicts or miscommunications even if it means we agree to disagree. I prefer to have an understanding of the others perspectives if at all possible so that I can get some feedback as to how I am contributing or communicating to prevent future situations. I know sometimes there is no going back, just wondered if it got resolved in any way that was satisfactory for you as that can be empowering.
 
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