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TLight

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This morning, after a bad night's sleep and again dealing with heightened symptoms because of that, I turn on the Today Show just in time for Tony Powers (I think that's the guy's name) saying:

"Everyone has bad thing happen to them, things they wouldn't wish on a friend, but Hey, you can turn it into PTSGrowth or PTSD.........it's up to you."

I shouted at the set, F*Head. I understand the 'overcome' thing and the growing parts of ourselves, but this really doesn't help anyone in my opinion. It minimizes what we have to contend with........I call BS. It just ain't that simple people........wish it was though.

Any other opinions?
 
I haven't seen the episode of the show you are talking about and I am having trouble finding it on Google, there are a lot of stories coming up about Robert Bales, and that is a messy subject so I won't be following it or reading too much into it (if I read any further articles at all), although it concerns PTSD. If you can find a link to the episode or clip I would like to see it...

I would like to see the show myself/know what context the "PTSD growth" statement was made in so I could give a better opinion. At first I was angry reading that, like you, and it feels typical that when someone with PTSD has had an awful night the next morning something triggers them even more (been there with insomnia before, so I do relate). It also feels typical that someone who does not suffer from PTSD would make a statement involving the words "it's up to you" (I assume he doesn't suffer from PTSD?) - having PTSD is not my decision, my brain messing up this way is not something I have chosen. Yes, I can decide to fight it or give up, but there is no such thing as "PTSDGrowth" is there? There was no crossroads for me. Good Way vs Bad Way. There is the development of PTSD... The treatements for PTSD (do we refer to that as PTSDGrowth now? I bet there is someone greedy somewhere copyrighting that term as we speak to make money out of books titled "PTSDGrowth or PTSD: It's your choice after trauma" ;) ). So, it's a statement that seems patronising and fuelled by a lack of knowledge/ignorance.

However, I thought about it more and maybe the context was more in a "you can heal and move on" type way, just badly phrased. A better thing to say could have been "Bad things happen to everyone, and some people develop PTSD. You can decide if the PTSD will destroy you, or you can get help, fight the illness, and grow from the trauma you experienced." I think that wouldn't have made me angry, apart from screaming that I've been waiting a good couple of years+ for help now. So my opinion is: could have been a better statement, but may have been trying to be a helpful one if said in a context which I assume it is (i.e. healing PTSD. I don't like "PTSDGRowth" as a term though, it sounds like a diagnosis, or some new buzzword!). If it was said in a different sort of way, a patronising or minimizing PTSD sort of way (which could be the case) then I will make sure I raise awareness by writing to the show :). Maybe you could write in with how angry that made you? Or just link them to this site. I think I might do that if anyone asks me about PTSD, hand them a card with this website address - saves me trying to explain or correct all of their misconceptions about it.
 
Here's the link;

[DLMURL]http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3041426/ns/today-today_health/#46854906[/DLMURL]
Sorry, Tony Robbins is the guy's name.
 
I see what he's saying, but his wording choice was extremely insensitive which for a critically acclaimed life coach and motivational speaker, seems odd. PTS happens to everyone who goes through a traumatic event. I believe what he meant was you can make a decision at some point to use it or succumb to it. Many people believe, and I am one of them, that healing can be a choice. When we seek treatment and support, we make the choice to be better. To take control and grow from what we've experienced. He generalized and for those who have experienced PTSD, it doesn't even begin to cover what we feel. So, good concept, incredibly poor choice of words.
 
"Everyone has bad thing happen to them, things they wouldn't wish on a friend, but Hey, you can turn it into PTSGrowth or PTSD.........it's up to you."
I can actually understand the angle he is coming from.

People are literally being told they have PTSD from just about any and every traumatic event that occurs in their life right now, which is wrong when used in conjunction with PTS or PTSD. There are a lot of people in the world who want to have a label, they want to claim they have it to get acknowledgement that they have endured something difficult... yet like said, every single person has bad things happen to them.

And he is right, you can actually either dwell upon them or use them to motivate yourself and grow into a stronger you.

I doubt he is really talking about the minority of people who have endured longevity childhood abuse, POW's, combat, etc. More the people who are involved in a car accident then claim they have PTSD, just because they lived through a car accident. Shit... the number of those I've been in I need two hands, and none of them give me nightmares or bother me in the slightest compared to other things experienced that gave me PTSD.

In todays society we are literally jumping around political correctness in mental health, which is a dangerous thing to do IMHO. It is no different than doctors acknowledging to people they have cancer or such just because they want to have it, when they actually don't have it. It is unethical in a biological sense, but it seems in mental health it is endorsed, encouraged, to apply sympathy, empathy and understanding to confirm to someone they experienced something traumatic and need to talk about it with a therapist... when more recent studies show that is the worst thing you could do.

I know that last line is going to bring questions, so I will clarify now... the studies show clearly people getting worse when seeking immediate therapeutic intervention after an incident, than those who don't. Those who don't seek discussion and such with friends, family, work colleagues, etc... which is healthy. A therapist, not healthy after a traumatic event now, and empirical data is quite conclusive on the studies performed in this area... mental health intervention is damaging. They even changed the entire US and other countries traumatic incident response procedures from intervening to putting people in a room with others who also experienced things, or leaving them talk with family and friends, which show far better results. Therapy leads them towards being ill, when no such illness exists.

Moral of the story: I see his point. It is a problem, and we really do have a choice on what we do going forward. He doesn't claim it isn't traumatic, but every single person has a choice on either growing into a better person or being consumed by their past because that is what they allow.

This is no different from what I have said here for years. Some people you just cannot help because they don't want to help themselves. Some people are happy wallowing in the misery and being consumed by the past, yet use that exact issue to them obtain sympathy or such from others.

My eldest sister is a classic example of this. Divorced 20+ years ago and still wallowing in the misery of that divorce. Still blaming. Still not admitting any fault. Still in denial. She literally depresses herself, eats more, is obese, that is more depressing for her, and so the cycle continues. Approach her to change any negative into a positive, and she rips your head off screaming at you. She literally is happy in being miserable. Hence, most of us don't really see her or have much to do with her, because she is just so depressing to be around and won't allow anyone to help her, let alone help herself.

The guy has a valid point to a degree and within a majority I believe. It is a true minority who really do have lifetime PTSD... yet even that can be fully managed and kept within quite controllable limits, as many here have proved over the years, me being one of them.

Some of my mates are just as bad as I used to be... they will not help themselves, even though some say they want to change. The moment it gets tough, they give up and go back to what they know... misery.
 
Just watched it - I agree the choice of words was most unfortunate - I would guess that he was not thinking about PTSD at all. He deals with people who have physical injuries, situational setbacks or motivational problems, mental illness is not his gig at all, so it doesn't surprise me that it is not in his mental "set." He clearly wasn't talking to or about people with PTSD. He was addressing a general question about dealing with traumatic events - and some people DO just "give up" after all - that was how I understood what he was talking about. That we "get what we will accept" in terms of treatment from others.

Just re-watched - he says: "everyone who goes through a traumatic event and makes it through it can experience either post traumatic stress or post traumatic growth." He thinks putting the experience into a context that gives it meaning is less "stressful" than having it be "just something that happened." I think that might be true in general. What it has to do with PTSD? I think that's pretty complicated.

His message was meant for "normal" people, in the sense that most people won't experience trauma's like having your son murdered (the case they were talking about.) I think it is a misconception that PTSD is "caused" by weakness or something... and that such errors are harmful to people dealing with PTSD. At the same time, you can't know everything, so I'm pretty patient with folks who are just ignorant (as I suspect Robbins is) and, having "followed" him for a while, I expect he would be interested, quick to learn, and probably have a helpful idea or two if you wanted to write to him and fill him in! Robbins has had his share of goofy ideas (the firewalking thing, sheesh) but he is not a complete looney who would suggest PTSD sufferers should just "snap out of it."

Interestingly he does an exposure therapy technique for phobias - it is different than EMDR but might work for similar reasons...
 
That we "get what we will accept" in terms of treatment from others.
I love that saying. There is a comedian I know of who says 'Many times the only respect we get from this world is that which we demand for ourselves.' and I try to live by it. To an extent, a person creates their own reality. How we see ourselves and decide to act, has a direct impact on our lives. Simple, but when you think about it, it really is quite complex.
 
I know that I never saw ptsd coming, never had a clue what it was nor a thought that any particular consequence (like that) would follow traumas. Most things I never even classified as 'traumatic'. I have always tried to be as 'positive' as possible, or deal with it the best I could. And deal with the symptomolgy.

In retrospect I can only identify what I did or didn't do (following specific traumas) and compare the after-effects (or lack there-of), and guess if they're corelated.
 
I have noticed the awareness level regarding PTSD is on the rise. TV shows and the media must be viewed by the audience with caution, it is first and foremost about ratings. Tony Robbins is a very positive speaker, he is also very wealthy. I would look at his credentials just like I would anyone I was going to seek advice from. I personally would be more skeptical of statements that apease everyone, it is not possible in my opinion.
 
Maybe PTSD is like breaking a bone in this way - you can fall and catch yourself on your hand a hundred times - and then, one day, you fall "just exactly wrong" and boom - you break your arm. Maybe PTSD is like that - you can survive a hundred traumas large and small and do well or poorly with them, but you don't get PTSD. But then one day, a traumatic event occurs and you are just 'lined up wrong" and boom, your nervous system gets injured and you are stuck in the loop until you find a way to heal it.

How's that for vague?
 
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