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Therapy Difficulties - Online Therapy An Option?

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Wow, a really interesting and compelling issue, which I know is a very real dilemma for you right now Abstract, but which is also something that is going to be increasingly relevant for many people as the cyber age marches on and more and more things become online that once would only have occurred in person.

I don't have a lot to add really, certainly no personal experiences, other than to say that I was initially dismissive and incredulous about the concept, but find Leah's reflections and insights and experiences to be very compelling and reasonable and the very important flip side to many of the concerns I'd have instinctively come up with.

I think the bottom line is that choice is a good thing, always. Different things work for different people, and that's why having different options is great. Often we don't know what works for us until or unless we try it. The only thing to be careful of is that with therapy, unlike many experiences in life, there is something to lose if it doesn't work out, and soa bit of extra caution is necessary I suppose when dealing with very fragile issues of coping and emotional stability and safety.

It has struck me in reading Leah's posts that she is obviously someone with a lot of personal insight, a very articulate ability to express and explain herself and her emotions/thoughts/overall state of being, and a lot of motivation to engage with the therapy. I think these things are particularly essential in the case of online therapy, as some of the natural aids to in-person communication are missing and need to be compensated for by even greater awareness and disclosure on the part of the client. I think it's probably easier to lie or mislead online, whether intentionally or not, and so there's probably greater capacity for miscommunications and errors of judgment and perception to occur. Where issues of safety are involved, obviously this is highly relevant.

A good therapist is always important. But a better than good online therapist is probably necessary. Just as the client needs to work hard to articulate and share openly and honestly, the therapist must be particularly skilled and perceptive. "Good enough" probably isn't good enough for online therapy, so even more stringent assessment of the therapist in the beginning would probably be advisable.

The only other thing that comes to mind at this point is that while obviously the online relationship is a legitimate relationship, it does lack some of the intricacies of an in-person relationship, such as the requirement for actual face-to-face human contact and a degree of social exposure. Depending on where you're at in your own life, and what you're seeking in therapy, this may or may not be an issue. But for those of us who have a lot of relational abuse and its consequences, learning to tolerate and take part in human relationships can be one of the most valuable bi-products of therapy, and I wonder if this could occur to the same degree where the parties never actually shared space and the full spectrum of communication dynamics. I could be wrong, just a thought I suppose...

Hope all of these thoughts help and dont' hinder Abstract, I think you are very wise to consider this as an option and to explore its pros and cons. The "baby steps" sentiment really resonated with me, and if therapy in the traditional sense isn't doable right now for whatever reason, but online therapy potentially is, then it's a very very valid thing to consider. Maybe it could be the stepping stone to in-person therapy. Maybe it would turn out to be a sustainable substitute.

Wishing you well in your considerations, as always...

Maddog
 
Thank you again everyone. You are appreciated.

It is about a year since I have managed to be in therapy. I was with a charity and did not realise it was time limited - only realised a few sessions before the end and then found myself out again and have been struggling to balance out since.

Getting there and staying there at the time was extraordinarily difficult and destabilising. Not least because of increased self awareness and realisations that I am not always able to be aware of what happens around me and therefore make appropriate decisions.

My main concern at this point is to first and foremost not do anything that causes further harm. I would rather take my time and build up defences first if that is the case.

I am in a much, much better place with this than I was six months ago.

I need to consider all possible negative possibilities for me and my personal reactions as well so that I can make the best possible decisions.
 
When you get tired of me advocating, let me know, lol.
Hi Leah. I love that you are passionate. And I truly hear that this is working well for you. Its helpful to have heard how it works too. I do need to consider all the possible negative for me personally before I make any decisions. That doesn't mean they will be a judgement on online therapy but rather that it will be likely to be either safe or not for me personally. And its thanks to you that I am even posting this thread! I just need to consider all aspects of this.

leave me until I feel better, or until I end the session deliberately.
This is helpful to know. May I ask what happens if you go silent if you ever do that? I am often left unable to speak or move in therapy and it can take a lot to get me back. It may happen less online but could still happen.

I always try to tell her, how I look, i.e. if I am crying, shaking, heart beating fast, sighing, frozen, etc
This is good to know. I am not sure if I could do this sometimes. I am ashamed of that but have to be honest with myself. Its extremely difficult to even have someone see it sometimes. It feels unsafe. I have done an enormous amount of work on saying how I am in the last two years and am a million times better than I was but it is still a problem.

as a starting point?
This is how I would see it if I did it. The big picture and my issues mean that I could only get to the final point of wellness with face to face but that doesn't mean that online would not be a means of getting me there.

there's more to being seen to me than just seeing my body- that does matter, but being seen emotionally and through my words
Being seen is a difficult one. I have had a lot of problems feeling ok about taking up space in the world and being seen in any way. And about having my emotions seen etc. What makes it extremely difficult is that I also have big problems with not being seen or understood. Its paradoxical and can feel annihilating. I am not sure how online therapy would affect that. Make it less or more likely. In some respects I may be able to be seen more but really "me" is the messy parts and the words all added together. I am not sure about separating it. Could be good, could be bad. Hope that makes a little sense.

might make it easier for you to stay in therapy if you felt a little safer?
Unfortunately it isn't just a matter of staying in therapy. I have a pattern of staying in relationships (including therapy) that are not emotionally safe for me without realising it. But when it comes to number 7 it is like something decends on me that does not allow me to "talk". Its taken a very long time to even be able to say a little on somewhere like here. The backlash can be awful. I filled with aggressive internal battles where I am convinced I am lying and can't tell reality from fiction. I am not sure if online T would help or make it worse.

and never could bring myself to reveal much or feel healing.
Thanks for sharing. I am sorry it was like that. That certainly has been true for me. I am determined and thought I was being transparent but in retrospect I was a virtual clam.

I like having the online chat records, too,
This is a good point and may well help me. I have an issue that I think may be dissociative where I repeatedly blot out information about someone and so do not realise the direction the relationship is heading in. Its like I change the persons personality in a sense. It does happen in written form too sadly but I am not sure if it is less likely to happen or not.

If you don't trust yourself not to self-harm if you are alone, or do not trust yourself to tell your therapist your intentions or fears, then I appreciate your concern about reacting badly to therapy and being alone.
I am sorry you have felt suicidal. I am glad she helped. Trying to build up tolerance of being honest so will admit that I am already self harming although I have made some progress. When I am in the worst states and most needing of help it seems I often become totally unable to verbalise it or ask for help.

In the past I thought that would be what would get the best of me in the end. I have improved a lot. I have worked very hard on this. My internal state is more evident these days. In the past I was often able to hide it even in person.

It is more the long term general state that I am concerned about rather than a momentary thing. I am quite good at managing suicidal issues these days. Its more that a relationship only works if there is good enough communication.
 
Hi dnp,

therapist sent me questionnaires by email, I filled them out, and she emailed me questions and I answered them. Each time she notes that she has professional concerns about us communicating by email alone.
Thanks for sharing your experiences! I like that you could progress to seeing your t if you find you are able to.

saying anything at all was a step forward, a big one for me.
I very much understand this. I have had a lot of therapy in the past but when it comes to many, many things I had not discussed them, ever. Not only experiences but also my internal workings and reactions. I did not even know I was hiding them.

. To remember at all is taboo but to actually make the words come out of my mouth is impossible right now.
I understand that too. I tend to be unable to speak in therapy.

Good for you for being aware of what will destabilise you and what is not sustainable. It shows self awareness.
 
Hi ScaredOfLonely,

quite evident that you painstakingly hide anything personal about yourself. That is quite easy to do online;
This is true. I work very hard to stop doing it and it is constant battle. In the past I would be "speaking freely" but without realising it I was even more hidden. I have made huge progress but it is still very problematic. In therapy I tend to immediately dissociate and usually am unable to speak about 47 mins out of 50. But it is possible that that is still more honest than therapy at a distance for me. I'm not sure.

not so easy to do in person where it is easier to read body language, etc.
This is a big concern of mine. And I can't hide body language like I used to so it is even more relevant.

It's about pushing yourself through the hard things, knowing that if you don't, things won't improve
This is a bit difficult because it definitely isn't about my unwillingness to push myself as I have a history of being gung ho about this and totally out of touch with my reactions. And only realise the problems when I am sunk and in trouble. I have managed to stay away from any long new long term problematic relationships for two years now by constantly checking in with myself and focussing on self awareness. It takes a lot of constant work.

It is more a case of what I am physically able to do and what is safe. I am not at all sure that online would be safer at present. It might be. Or it might not. My levels of dissociation are such that willing or not I am often not able.

Thanks.
 
Hi Franciemarie,

Really inspiring.
It is!

How I was physically perceived caused problems for me. That is, how I felt simply being perceived, how I felt I was perceived, etc
My I ask you to say more if you can? It might help me.

And yes I need to evaluate if online therapy could be a safe step towards in person therapy for me. Or if it is likely to backfire and leave me even more phobic of therapy.

Thanks.
 
I like having the online chat records, too, so that when I go through things too fast, I can go back and process them! I have it all in writing, and can deal with the exposure at my own pace, and refer back to it when I need. Makes it easier to remember things, to be compassionate, to see some progress, and areas to still work on, and more.
I really like this!! I had a problem that I could often, after a session, not recall everything. And even though the therapist was the one who was aware of it, and alerted me to it, and would recap, but I often felt I 'lost' a lot of valuable things.
 
I don't feel the need to make it deliberately harder on myself-
Actually I am not sure that I don't sometimes feel that anything gentler is a cop out. Even harmful sometimes feels comfortable in a bizarre sense. Sometimes hard to separate healthy strivings from unhealthy.
 
Abstract, although I fully agree with everything SoL says, I think you therefor might need a slow introduction by way of online therapy.

You know my history with my therapist, and it is only now that we have a little more email contact that I'm beginning to feel safe. And so I think your considering online therapy might just be the intro you need. But wouldn't you need face to face therapy after a while? I know for a fact that I don't want to have only email contact with my therapist forever.
 
May I ask what happens if you go silent if you ever do that?
Yes, I have gone silent, more so in the hardest moments. She will ask me after a while if I am okay, but she does not push me when I pause. I try to answer, even though it's hard. Sometimes, I tell her how I'm feeling, mad, crying, lost, etc. Sometimes, I tell her I need more time. Yesterday, a very painful session, I just had to get the courage to ask her to please not give up on me if I couldn't say anything. I find in those worst times, at least having her presence with me when I struggle is comforting. She reassured me she won't give up on me. :)


I am determined and thought I was being transparent but in retrospect I was a virtual clam.
This happened naturally to me too, legacy of being abused and having to submerge my own feelings, identity, thoughts, etc. I'm continually finding out how to share better, and be aware of what I *think* is clear, but isn't at all clear to someone outside my head.

When I am in the worst states and most needing of help it seems I often become totally unable to verbalise it or ask for help.

My therapist has good availability and is patient, so if I can even summon up the courage to send her a brief email, even just saying "help" she will try to be there for me, and even if she's not available, knowing I communicated it to someone helps me a little.

I filled with aggressive internal battles where I am convinced I am lying and can't tell reality from fiction.

I have a tremendous amount of self-doubt. I've promised myself to only share tiny things that I am sure of, to build a solid foundation. Sometimes, I feel like a puzzle with a heck of a lot of missing pieces, but then I have the integrity to trust the ones that are there, and feel brave for living with the ambiguity, rather than trying to force pieces in that might not fit. It's taken me many years and a lot of growth and distance from my abuse to get to that point, to tolerate ambiguity, and talk about my experience without feeling compelled to justify it.

(Have to come back and add on, got busy here!)

P.S. You mention being unable to speak in therapy. Are there songs, stories, or poems that express some of how you feel, or what you struggle with? Sometimes, those are nearly all I can share with my therapist. She appreciates them and sometimes it really helps me open up a tiny bit more.
 
Hi MD,

Often we don't know what works for us until or unless we try it.
This is true. Another dimension for me is that I often don't know something is not working even when I am trying it. Until I am up to my eyeballs in it.

there is something to lose if it doesn't work out
This is the big problem. In the past I never considered these things. I had zero self awareness. I just randomly ended up in situations without having any idea how I got there. I now try hard to pre-empt these situations but they can still happen.

very articulate ability to express and explain herself and her emotions/thoughts/overall state of being, and a lot of motivation to engage with the therapy.
This is very apparent and I imagine helps Leah in many ways with online therapy!

I often become almost incoherent when discussing anything personal. Even more so in person but the complication online is that I need to communicate my emotions more clearly. I am motivated but I am also very fearful. But then I am also fearful of being misread so maybe that fear will win over! ;-)

I think it's probably easier to lie or mislead online, whether intentionally or not
I am very, very motivated to be authentic and to be truthful. Authenticity is one of great importance to me. Unintentional is another thing entirely.

"Good enough" probably isn't good enough for online therapy
Thanks for making this point. Yes, I think you are right. I think they need to be very intuitive and it is probably even more important that there is a good fit.

the client needs to work hard to articulate and share openly and honestly
Yes. This is very important for me to consider and keep in mind. If I do this I am going to have to work very hard.

learning to tolerate and take part in human relationships can be one of the most valuable bi-products of therapy,
This is a very big issue for me and thank you for bringing it up. Just tolerating being in the same room as my last T created some healing. And was frightening. In the long term face to face is absolutely the way I want to do it.

Its just a matter of considering if online is a safe stepping stone towards getting there.

Thanks>
 
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