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Relationship Well, That Didn't Go Well

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Let him cool off, I can see why the anger but not how you should be the taget of it. If he knows you well, wouldn't he have 'predicted' such a reaction from you after making the comment? . Better you act, although unsure, that's what the help you called in did too. You don't want to be living with having known someone was 'checking out' of this live and having done nothing about it, while you could! Bottom line !. Your important too!.

My experience was; finding out later about the 'check out plan'.

He decided to reach out to me on the day off, and changed his mode, but I was unaware of the plan the entire time we met and talked that day.
Thing is you never know right? .

Better safe than sorry, regardless of consequent reactions in anger (easiest emotion- shift to cope).

Better angry for a while than at the check out point and beyond, forever.

Once anchored,
maybey he'll think differently about how the help you contacted understood right away, and acted upon it the same way you did.
Acting out of care.

I guess you can't be underestimated and are very resourceful!!!!
Pardon me for being so frank, must have been very stressful for you, I get kind of bad humoured with these kind of happenings, sorry its my own bad habit of diffusing stressful situations like that, I don't mean to be sarcastic.

Must honestly say reading this one made me sad then after also kind of mad,
I don't know why ( maybey its the 'easy emotion- shift'), just hate it these really rock bottom times that people suffer.
 
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I can see why the anger but not how you should be the taget of it. If he knows you well, wouldn't he have 'predicted' such a reaction from you after making the comment?

I am not surprised at his anger. I knew he would be upset and truth be told, I do feel a little guilty. Part of me feels like I betrayed his trust and confidentiality. He has worked hard to build up this front so others don't see his hurt and what he perceives as weakness but he let me in. He has expressed to me several times that he is ashamed and feels like a failure. I don't regret doing it though, I regret HAVING to do it. Even though I expected him to be angry, I did not expect him to lash out at me. In the past when he has been upset with me, he withdraws and will not speak to me. Both hurt.

As far as him predicting my reaction.....no, he had no clue. He has underestimated me in the past and continues to do so. He was married for 20+ years and it was very unhealthy. That is what he knows. He expects knee-jerk reactions, anger, tears, etc. I think before I act or speak and I don't give up easily. And yes, I can be very resourceful when I need to be. Even with his lashing out I suspect he was hoping to draw me into an argument. That is his comfort zone. I responded once calmly saying I was concerned about him, I don't regret doing it and that people care about him. I expect if I do hear from him again it will be late at night as that is when he gets himself worked up the most.

Pardon me for being so frank, must have been very stressful for you

I have no problem with people being frank....I will take that any day over someone being wishy-washy. ;) The last couple of months have been very stressful with him and his problems...especially the past couple of days. This is stress that I have invited into my life. It's not my stress. I don't have to deal with this. Trust me, I have plenty of my own stresses that I am required to deal with being a single mom with two special needs children and I don't need this. But I care about him deeply so I can't just turn my back on him completely. He pulled me into this so I had to do something. Now he is shoving me out of his life so I am stepping back and hoping his battle buddies can do what I can't. I have learned to deal with my stress in healthy ways. Being able to come here and vent helps a lot. Just the time spent typing works wonders. Getting support from others that 'get it' is invaluable. I can no longer talk with my friends as they don't understand how PTSD changes all the rules.
 
Not being able to talk to friends about it is something I can relate to. It didn't help the situation.

For me its not the writing, but more the reading on this site that made such a great difference.

Glad that you're not sorry for having taken action. The anger about the trust thing having to do with some sense of betrayal, boy that would have been a tough call for me too afterwards.

When you have two children that have special needs you must be someone that has a lot of patience. That still costs energy, so makes a lot sense that you don't need this.

Its hard when you care and are forced to act, tough love is like that too isn't ?. I can' t imagine where you find the energy.

So he's used to anger from a partner and you seem to be the complete opposite personality type. Must have been a reason why he was attrackted to that.You know enough about him and didn't give him the opportunity to fall into and follow the same patterns.

I only saw lashing outs in anger at others and mostly because of being disrespected. Only towards other males. There is a different history connected towards that which I know of too, just like you about the ex-spouse. But the military seems to have a way of using anger as an emotion shift and that tops everything up straight to the max in civilian life. Over things that have nothing to do with survival in combat anymore.

Now it seems to have become a coping mechanism to emotionally survive.It is so frustrating even now when I've stepped back to friendship. It's sad but much better this way, much easier to manage my own life andbi don't even have children like you. Do you you think that staying just friends may be an option for you some time in the future? As a middle road I mean because you still care.

It's so complicated, but for you having this to deal with while your children come first, it's great that you can step back.

Don't exactly need the lack of sleep because he' ll come around after te anger subsides, late at night. Has he been able to take any consideration towards you in retrospect at all before?
 
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Do you you think that staying just friends may be an option for you some time in the future?

I am hoping that we can do at least that much but it is up to him. I don't know if he can do it. His moods tend to be one extreme or the other...very little middle ground. But we'll see. My kids love him to death and he loves them. Staying friendly would benefit them the most. I am friends with other ex-bfs so I know I can do it. It's not easy though. Even now when I look at his picture or hear his voice on a voicemail he sent, it makes me miss him a lot.

Don't exactly need the lack of sleep because he' ll come around after te anger subsides, late at night. Has he been able to take any consideration towards you in retrospect at all before?

He has always done late night/middle of the night/early morning communication with me. He works all day, comes home and is prone to fall asleep on the couch for a few hours, then be wide awake at night. I don't really mind. I am rarely asleep before midnight anyway and up early with the kids. Because of many years of messed up nights with the kids, I am able to wake up and fall back asleep in the middle of the night with few problems. I know night time is the hardest time for him. Everything seems worse at night. So I am ok with him reaching to me. I have always told him that I am here for him and I meant it.
 
Oh boy, now that you said your kids lived him,and know him well that's tough. I don't know what to say, I hope for you he can rationalize enough to keep at least friendship.

It took a lot of distance first for me to go back to that. It's really tough when you had a physical intimate relationship. That attraction takes time to go away.

You seem to me so strong!. I hope it works out in your favour.
 
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@Snowangel1225 I don't have PTSD myself, but I have struggled in my younger years with severe depression and suicidal thoughts/behaviors. I've tried to kill myself three times, obviously unsuccessfully. :p I don't have those problems now and haven't for years, but it allows me to see your situation from both sides of the fence. On your side, I think you did a great job. That was not an easy decision to make, especially knowing that you might be angering him or setting him off to the point of no contact again, ever. A few weeks ago, my boyfriend (who does have combat PTSD) was in a drunken stupor, raving about killing himself and telling me that he would do it where no one would find him, places he would do it, grabbing things off the counters and showing me how he might do it, but then saying "oh don't worry, I won't tell you when I would do it, I would just be gone and you would never be able to find me." At that point, I had been trying to decide for hours what to do, and I made the most difficult decision of calling the police to come get him and take him to the psych ER. It was one of the hardest decisions I ever had to make, and I was crying so hard I could barely breathe. But it was the right decision. He was furious at me -- wouldn't look at me, wouldn't say goodbye, saying other rude things before they put him in the cop car -- but it saved his life. Thankfully he forgave me afterwards, but even if he hadn't, it would have been the right decision, as yours was.

On the other side of the situation, things were perhaps more complicated. Obviously I don't know you personally or your guy, so I only offer what my experiences have been, that they may be something you identify with and can help you understand. When I was so depressed and considering suicide very strongly every day, I used to say those sorts of things to some people as well. Make comments about me being gone, without blatantly saying the meaning behind the words. As messed up as it sounds, it was sort of a test for me. I felt so alone and so hopeless that I felt like nobody cared about me and no one would be sad if I was gone. Saying those things to people was a test to either validate my feelings that nobody would care, or to try to convince myself out of killing myself. It was to see, who loves me enough that they will put their money where their mouth is? Obviously, that reflects a lot of really messed up thinking and psychological problems, but at the time, that's what it was about. I hate myself so much, nobody else can possibly love me. If these people who say they love me really do, they will notice I'm so upset and try to stop me. Even when people expressed caring about my living, it wasn't enough. It was: well that's just one person, who cares. One person can be sad and it will be fine when I'm not here anymore. They'll get over it. So perhaps he wasn't really "joking" when he said that to you, and he was surprised that you showed such strong feelings about him living. Additionally, there were times people found out what I was planning and I would immediately isolate from them. I didn't want to be alive, and if they even started getting the hint that I was going to kill myself, I didn't want to be around them, lest they reveal my plan to someone else and I'm forced to be alive. That might be why he immediately isolated from you. Or, it could have been the ever-present stigma of mental illness. I suspect that may be part of why he is so mad at you now, because it's hard to admit that we have troubles, and even harder to admit them to people who supposedly know the "real" us, whose vision of us may be tainted when they find out what we are really dealing with. He may have felt that way towards you -- that even though you really do know the real him, it's still hard to admit and talk about, so he just disappeared in hopes that you would forget about it and leave him alone until he could have his facade on once more. Again, I don't know for sure, but those are the things that ran through my head when I was dealing with that stuff.

The first time I tried to kill myself, I played that mind game with my best friend, who was smart enough to figure out what I was going to do. She told one of my teachers (I was in high school at the time), they had a conference, I was forced into counseling, my parents were told, etc. I was SO freaking mad at her that I didn't talk to her for almost a year. She ruined my plan. She betrayed me.. even though subconsciously, I wanted her to care enough to stop me. She told my parents, who put me on constant watch for 9 months, where I wasn't allowed to be anywhere in the house without the door open or one of them with me. I was furious. But once I got better, once I started healing and realizing my psychological shortcomings.. I was so so so thankful to her. She saved my life. She made the difficult decision that you did, to make someone get help and take control of their lives so that they don't become reckless with theirs. So I know that right now, it's really really hard for you and you're questioning if what you did was right, and if he will hate you for the rest of his life. He might hate you for a while, but I think (well, hope) that he will realize that what you did was tremendously courageous, and loving. So hang in there. We're all here for you.
 
I want to thank everyone for your support and kind words. It's really helped me and I have returned here over and over again to re-read the messages. I am the Queen of Second Guessing Myself. I over-think things too much sometimes. It comes with the territory when I spend too much time alone (I work from home so I don't spend a lot of time outside of my home or around other people).

When I was so depressed and considering suicide very strongly every day, I used to say those sorts of things to some people as well. Make comments about me being gone, without blatantly saying the meaning behind the words. As messed up as it sounds, it was sort of a test for me.

I also suffered with depression and anxiety over the years. I was suicidal in high school and I remember trying so hard to send out signals that I needed help but no one responded. Not one. Dark, sad poems left on the desk of a favored English teacher, walks with friends through the cemetery, self harm, ... No one stepped forward and asked if I was ok or needed help. It was the loneliest feeling in the world to feel no one cared. I think that is why I took him serious even when he said he was joking. I know if someone would have asked me if I was ok, I would have denied any problem still hoping they would see through it. I didn't want to do that to him.

It's been a month now since I have seen him. No contact since his nasty email early Wed morning. Still I cringe when I get a text message....part of me wants it to be him, the other part of me is scared it is him with more nastiness. It's a relief to see it is from someone else...and a disappointment.

But, I would have to say I am doing ok....probably better than I would have imagined I could. I am planning on boxing up the items he has here next week while the kids are at school and I will probably drop them at his apartment along with his apartment key. I think he will feel better knowing I no longer have access to his apartment. I also plan on leaving a short note telling him the rest of his stuff (garage stuff) can stay here until he is able to find a place for them...no rush...that I hope he is doing well and that I care. Beyond that, I don't know what else to do.
 
First to resourceful, ya who cares why you got it down, they will too later. You made a big difference here to me thank you, today was a bad day, but your so strong, I can hack it. Hope you get to enjoy some time off holidays with the kids.
 
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Oh and don't feel guilt either. I've called upon his buddies ( those i got introduced to) and reached out to a many of times, believe me they step over it! They really dont care when it comes down to that bottem line, and they always helped eachother out. I didn't give a rats...ss to call tough guy guards up, no complaining, not a pussy attitude bs included).
Sometimes there's things when your just not the one, able to call them back in line.
So what if you had the balls to call upon those who could! He'll get over it!
 
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