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Persistent Body Memory

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Is it OK to ask your reasons for thinking you're not ready to work on it yet? Do you feel your grounding and coping skills aren't strong enough, or is it that it seems too difficult or painful?
It's ok to ask. I think I'm not ready to work on it yet because when it comes on I immediately dissociate, I don't even realize I'm dissociating until my T is helping to bring me back. It's overwhelming. I can't work on something if I'm not fully present.

I attempted to try and talk to my T about this body memory that won't stay in the vault (before I put it in there), I ended up chickening out because as soon as I began to open my mouth I felt like I was going to slip into a flashback. I also feel like my grounding and coping skills are something to be desired. I'm good to a certain extent, and then once I get to a certain state it's like I forget everything my T taught me up until that point and I freeze and dissociate.

It also feels very difficult and painful sharing it with another.
 
Personally I think the question isn't how do you keep this body memory away, but how do you radically increase your ability to stay present and safe.

If the skills your therapist has taught you work up to a point and no farther, then I think you need to be working on more skills, or working more on the skills you've got, or both.

How much do you practise your skills outside therapy?

How much do you rehearse them, thinking ahead to a therapy session and imagining yourself using them as you go through the session, to make them more automatic? It's like people doing fire drills and practising other emergency procedures when there is no emergency. You don't need to imagine any more than "there's a fire on the back stairs" or whatever - not all the details of the fire. Similarly, you can imagine, "I'm talking to my therapist about a body memory" without going into the details in your mind - only the rehearsal of using your skills when you need to.

I'd suggest also looking generally at different ways of processing things. You don't have to go from zero to talking with your therapist about something specific. There are things that you can do inbetween. I never talk about anything in therapy without a lot of preparation, both on my own and with my therapist. Otherwise, it would be overwhelming.

You can work out and practise strategies towards staying present and feeling safe as you approach this body memory. For example, creating an imaginary scenario where you'll be able to look at the memory with some distance, separation and control. For me at first, that was to see the memory in fuzzy black and white on a screen far away, with things near me that would protect me, and able to pause it when I needed to - I created, set up and got used to being in that "place" and using the things that would keep me present, before I worked on any memories there.

You can start to talk around the memory in order to get closer to talking about the memory. For example, making a list of the things you're afraid will happen when you talk about it then discussing the list with your therapist without actually talking about the memory yet - doing that as a way to address your concerns and find strategies to deal with them. That means looking at more than "I think I'll dissociate". We dissociate when we don't feel safe. Why wouldn't you feel safe? What are you specifically afraid of? What would make you feel safer?

In my experience, we need a whole lot of skills and strategies and we need to practise them a lot, every day. I really mean a lot.
 
Personally I think the question isn't how do you keep this body memory away, but how do you radically increase your ability to stay present and safe.
I think this is my T's goal, and until that time to try and minimize me being overwhelmed by memories so that I can focus on staying present and safe.


If the skills your therapist has taught you work up to a point and no farther, then I think you need to be working on more skills, or working more on the skills you've got, or both. How much do you practise your skills outside therapy?
They work great when I remember to do them. I think part of my problem is I don't notice what is happening inside me, I'm unaware of when I start to get overwhelmed until it is too late and then everything I know how to do goes out the window. I don't think it is from the skills not working well enough.

I'm going to use your fire analogy here. It's like if you are burning a candle, it is easy to blow out when it is just the candle that is lit. But if that flame catches something else on fire then simply blowing it out no longer works, soon enough many things surrounding the candle are engulfed in flames and now you need the fire department to come and put it out.

My T gives me new skills to work on at home each week typically, I practice those and usually we will talk about it. I started practicing the safe place visualization a lot more at home recently. And I have a few others that I use on a frequent basis. Basically as she adds them I start practicing them. Not all are meant to be used in her office, some are meant purely for home (shower exercise).


I'd suggest also looking generally at different ways of processing things. You don't have to go from zero to talking with your therapist about something specific. There are things that you can do inbetween. I never talk about anything in therapy without a lot of preparation, both on my own and with my therapist. Otherwise, it would be overwhelming.
That's the thing. I've done the in-between at this point regarding this specific body memory.


You can start to talk around the memory in order to get closer to talking about the memory. For example, making a list of the things you're afraid will happen when you talk about it then discussing the list with your therapist without actually talking about the memory yet - doing that as a way to address your concerns and find strategies to deal with them. That means looking at more than "I think I'll dissociate". We dissociate when we don't feel safe. Why wouldn't you feel safe? What are you specifically afraid of? What would make you feel safer?
I've expressed my fears surrounding talking about the memory. Told her what I think will happen, why that scares me. The trouble I have is knowing what I need, I don't know what I need to make me feel safer because I've never been asked, I've never had a T take this kind of time with me to establish a safe environment, or build trust. It's new territory, so often it is a trial and error thing with my T. She does what she feels is appropriate at the time and I give her feedback as to whether or not it helped or not. Like last session she decided to turn on music she uses for hypnotherapy and have it play quietly in the background, that was a huge help, it calmed me and I had a really good session with her.
 
They work great when I remember to do them. I think part of my problem is I don't notice what is happening inside me, I'm unaware of when I start to get overwhelmed until it is too late and then everything I know how to do goes out the window. I don't think it is from the skills not working well enough.
This is an issue I have too. I am hoping with practice it will become more of an automatic response. I think one way of helping it along would be to try to deliberately put myself in a position of needing to use these skills when I am in a calmer space. ie. deliberately bringing up an image or memory that is a problem and practice using the imagery on it, but I really struggle with the idea of deliberately putting myself in that place. If it's not in my head now then why the hell would I choose to bring it up!
 
Hi mytai, please dont put yourself under pressure to think your way out of this. The fact is that if you dissociate and feel on the verge of a flashback then its counterproductive to attempt to fight your own survival biology. Youll just end up feeling inadequate. I found that with time your defences will biodegrade at the rate your body and mind can manage. Then in line with the tempo your body dictates it will give you oppprtunity to employ these techniques. As I said in my first post you cant force or trick your way through it, so save yourself more anguish and work with it and not in opposition x
 
This is gonna sound moderately weird, but...

Have you tried talking to your memories? Are the memories themselves mean and trying to hurt you, or are they trying to get out/get processed, hurting you without meaning to? One of the things I do is that I ask the flashback or body memory why it is occurring. Pretty often, it tells me.

I'm just thinking that if this memory wants to be processed NOW and you don't have the capability to handle it all right now, you could try to compromise with it. Perhaps, "I'll draw how this memory makes me feel on ____ date, and on ____ other date I will talk around the memory with my T. Until then, could you stay in the vault please? I am learning how to deal with you, but your insistence is making it harder to do that right now."

Please tell me if this makes any sense.
 
Generally, it's a sudden clarity about what triggered it, like a recent one was, "Oh! The sound of turning the shower off is making me flash back." Sometimes it takes talking around it with my T to get to it. My current body memory issues are related to trusting myself and learning how to cope, like a trial run, almost. Does that help?
 
That makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying @Tolkienian

I have managed to notice certain situations that increase my anxiety. When it comes to flashbacks I haven't been able to identify triggers yet.
 
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