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Avoidance "one Of The Hallmarks Of Ptsd"

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Woof

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In a recent discussion with my therapist, she blurts out; "Avoidance is one of the hallmarks of PTSD".

This struck me, as, once again....I had never thought of that! (Damn therapist, with all their insights)

A lil more history: I was also diagnosed about 12 years ago (maybe more) with Adult Attention Deficit Disorder. Which was diagnosed much later than the time of my abuses (14-17) but....I had already heard most of the "labels"...'Lazy', 'Slacker', "Class Clown', 'Attention Seeker', "Procrastinator' and a panoply of other equally obnoxious descriptions/adjectives attached to myself via "Authorities in the know" by that time. Without saying, I grew up believing much of this and some of these echoes of that past still haunt me from time to time.

I never recall actually going out of my way to "procrastinate", although there were plenty of times when I have been completely distracted...look a skwerl...and I was off doing something else. This has been a part of my history for ever, at least as far as I can remember. So, the word "procrastinate", well, it simply never made sense to me...at least as it was being applied to me.

Yet, if a camera were trained on me and all there was to see was the objective viewpoint of that lens. Procrastination and Avoidance look an awful lot alike! Ya know....simply not doing it (or something). But as I investigate my intent.....then it seems to be a completely different story!

When I 'Procrastinate' I tend to "put things off"...thinking (or lying) to myself that I will do it (something) later, because at the moment, I am in favor of doing something else! Now, as history shows, I may, or may not indeed tend to those things I had "put off"...ultimately paying some sort of consequence later on.

When I "Avoid".....I simply don't want to (period). I typically have nothing else I would rather do, no place I would rather go, no one I would be more interested in speaking with: I SIMPLY DON'T WANT TO!

I will go to the ends of the earth in my effort to "Avoid" something. The amount of effort, the plethora of excuses and the absolute obstinate nature of this character component is truly, astounding. But, more often than not....if I try to understand...ask myself why...I get the same child like response "I DON'T WANT TO"

Now, I don't think of myself as stupid or unencumbered with insight....yet if hard pressed...I am at a loss.in explaining it or understanding it. If I had a clear and definable boogeyman to cast blame on, I would do so immediately. But I haven't such boogeymen.

While it is true that I have only begun working with this therapist a short time, I am no stranger to the therapists office. As Buddhist, I am not unfamiliar with self inquiry and examination of the self....but if I could cheat, and perhaps get a lil insight from you good folks as to what my lay beyond that line of "I SIMPLY DON'T WANT TO" I would be extremely grateful to ya! (unless of course ya SIMPLY DON'T WANT TO)

I wish you...

Much Peace
Woof
 
Woof, I've been following your posts when you have made them lately.

I was actually discussing this topic with another member (I would mention them but I'm not sure if they want to be mentioned)

I believe you and me are similar.

I would refer to this as Attention Differential brain.

I got this term from a website about PTSD (I have nothing to do with) and does not appear to be sourcing from anywhere else on the web. I can't find a mention of what they were describing anywhere else.The site is not up at the moment and I am getting no response from their webmasters.

Attention differential is a better term than attention deficit. There is no deficit of attention, the fact is there is an abundance... But only for a problem or project of interest. This is a super-talent, my friend.

And yes I also find the defining feature for PTSD is the core avoidance of help or interaction. We don't want it and don't want to need it. To put it mildly...
 
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I will go to the ends of the earth in my effort to "Avoid" something. The amount of effort, the plethora of excuses and the absolute obstinate nature of this character component is truly, astounding. But, more often than not....if I try to understand...ask myself why...I get the same child like response "I DON'T WANT TO"

I know exactly where you are coming from with this! The amount of effort I've put into avoiding various things over the years would amount to a Doctorate in Avoidance. I'm also highly skilled at avoiding dealing with my avoidance. And often as not, it does just come down to a part of me that says "I just don't want to!", "You can't make me!" or variations on that. I sometimes even notice myself stamping my feet down when I'm having those thoughts, like a little tantrum...

I don't have any insight right at the moment but may come back to this :)
 
As Buddhist, I am not unfamiliar with self inquiry and examination of the self....but if I could cheat, and perhaps get a lil insight from you good folks as to what my lay beyond that line of "I SIMPLY DON'T WANT TO" I would be extremely grateful to ya!

In the end I think the psychological work lies in the question "why not?"

Is it that you don't enjoy it? Is it that it isn't good for you? Is it that you are afraid of it?

The idea of asking the questions is not to get you to do it (whatever 'it' might be). It is to get you to explore why you don't want to do something. It may be that there is good reason for you not doing it, and rather than procrastinating, you are attempting to make a choice and place boundaries. Or, it may be that fear is preventing you from doing something that will improve your life.

Those kind of questions are for you to look into yourself. A therapist can only ask them (and it's their job to offer some challenges to your thinking), but in the end, you are the only person who can truly know yourself.
 
Attention differential is a better term than attention deficit. There is no deficit of attention, the fact is there is an abundance....
Oh, without a doubt there is an abundance of attention!!!

Doctorate in Avoidance. I'm also highly skilled at avoiding dealing with my avoidance.
CLASSIC....Thank You!

And often as not, it does just come down to a part of me that says "I just don't want to!", "You can't make me!" or variations on that. I sometimes even notice myself stamping my feet down when I'm having those thoughts, like a little tantrum...
If it werent so horribly sad to admit this about myself also....I would RAOFLMAO <no really Bwahahaha>

I don't have any insight right at the moment but may come back to this :)
I look forward to that!
 
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I struggle with the same issues of avoiding and putting off. A lot of times I am overwhelmed and have very little energy. It is part of the disease process. I accept it but I also get angry about it. If I am overwhelmed I make a decision to do just 1 thing or spend 5 minutes on what I am putting off. I have noticed that has helped me tremendously.
 
One of the things that happens to me is that I react to myself attempting to put boundaries or make goals in the same way that I would have liked to react to bullying behaviour from my parents to similar things as a child. I am even defensive with myself. It isn't a rational defensiveness. It is a primal feeling and runs deep.

I am actually worse in some senses in relation to avoidance. I used to get myself to do more by verbally abusing myself badly and sometimes more than verbal abuse. I despised, humiliated and degraded myself into action. Trouble is that I started realising the impact of my self abuse on my depression symptoms and many more things. It was annihilating. I started prioritising attempting to lessen the self hatred and abuse. It seems that there are few nice ways of me being able to get myself to do anything though.

Ironically, in the past, I would have initial movement then increased depression which resulted in zero movement. Now I have very little movement but it is more consistent and I believe I make more progress overall.

Behind it all is a deep fear though. Not of not doing it well enough as I have worked on that and rather a deep irrational fear I will get into trouble or am being threatened. Sometime, if I am able to speak to myself as one would to a small child, I can get moving.

I am very creative when it comes to avoidance though. Am sure I am skilled in any possible way of "doing" avoidance.

avoiding dealing with my avoidance.
Yes! :) It's like dissociating the dissociation too.
 
It isn't a rational defensiveness. It is a primal feeling and runs deep.
MmmmmHmmmmmmm....exactly...PRIMAL.

Now I have very little movement but it is more consistent and I believe I make more progress overall.
So, less is more. I am following ya.

Behind it all is a deep fear though.
Ugh, I was afraid of that, perhaps that's a blockage, snag in the line, roadblock or a bottleneck in to delving deeper...that fear.

I am very creative when it comes to avoidance though. Am sure I am skilled in any possible way of "doing" avoidance.

Yes! :) It's like dissociating the dissociation too.

(CLASSIC)
 
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I believe avoidance is in the diagnostic criteria so perhaps reading the diagnostic criteria woul let you know what you've actually been diagnosed so you can avoid a string of "I didn't know that!" Moments.
 
I would refer to this as Attention Differential brain. I got this term from a website about PTSD (I have nothing to do with) and does not appear to be sourcing from anywhere else on the web. I can't find a mention of what they were describing anywhere else.The site is not up at the moment and I am getting no response from their webmasters.
We don't know just how many of the one fifth of the population world-wide with AD brains have any difficulties at any stage- probably not many worldwide. Those with AD brains who do have difficulties, don't have difficulties all the time. It is nonsense, then, to say that having an AD brain constitutes having a 'disorder'. If and when these particular difficulties arise at some particular time in life then the difficulties are best referred to as "Attention Difference Difficulties" This is a much better use for the letters 'ADD' The H for 'hyperactivity' in 'ADHD' can be ignored - 'fidgeting and running around a lot' doesn't help much to distinguish AD brains from non AD brain at any stage of life. Hyperactivity is certainly not confined to those with AD brains.
 
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