BPD Complex ptsd vs. bpd

[anthony]

I actually agree... NOS shouldn't be used and is discarded within the industry. That was just Van der Kolk trying to shift away from CPTSD, which really created another failure in branding.

 

[anthony]

but I believe a criterion can be set for a complex set of traumas as opposed to a singular traumatic issue as opposed to development trauma.

Read my recent post in the other PTSD v CPTSD one... backs pretty much exactly what you stated.

 

[shimmerz]

@anthony yes, I believe that as well. I think we are all just wanting some sort of distinction and because we have been exposed to CPTSD as being that distinction, we are getting stuck on it. All in all what disappoints me is not the label itself but the efficacy of treatment and acknowledgement that when you walk in presenting symptoms that psychiatrists can look it up in the current 'bibles' (DSM ICD) and actually be able to follow it in such a way that they don't invalidate your experience because it 'isn't in the book' aaaarggggghhhh! :arghh;

 

[Deleted member 1860]

Lol this discussion is happening in so many threads right now.... I just made a reply in another thread which pretty much asks what Anthony answered here yesterday....

 

[TimeToHeal]

I think that @Butterflywings got it right. If we could put more focus into destigmatizing BPD, we would eliminate much of this debate.

 

[Lady of Longbourn]

@Solara noticed that too. It's a very interesting discussion so far and everyone is nice and civil.

 

[TimeToHeal]

Oh yes @Ayesha, I agree - it has been a rather civil discussion! No qualms there. I was referring to the debate of PTSD vs BPD vs "CPTSD," in general, as I'm certain it goes far beyond this forum.

 

[Pencil]

"destigmatizing BPD"

Unfortunately, giving BPD another name will not go far to destigmatize the disorder. My experiences with people with BPD have been in the range from extremely unpleasant to downright frightening. And once again we have to consider the issue that if we follow Herman in terms of the term CPTSD, it actually denotes BPD, which is not a disorder everyone with complex trauma has.

@shimmerz: Your arguments are spot on, but when you say "When our health care system does not take seriously a NOS designation, it impedes ones ability to get help as most of us cannot function in such a way that we can afford psychologists" I wonder what your health care system would provide should the diagnosis change. Do you think that your national health care system would be able to provide better treatment?" I'm asking as I'm wondering if it is a matter of classification or the quality of treatment provided.

 

[TimeToHeal]

I was not suggesting, "giving BPD another name."

 

[anthony]

Axis II disorders, when accurate and correctly diagnosed, are just scary.

 

[shimmerz]

@shimmerz: Your arguments are spot on, but when you say "When our health care system does not take seriously a NOS designation, it impedes ones ability to get help as most of us cannot function in such a way that we can afford psychologists" I wonder what your health care system would provide should the diagnosis change. Do you think that your national health care system would be able to provide better treatment?" I'm asking as I'm wondering if it is a matter of classification or the quality of treatment provided.

@Pencil with a diagnosis which fits the DSM (PTSD) I am able to be supported and make a case for being 'disabled' here. Our government health care however dictates how that diagnosis is treated. Specifically. It refuses flexibility or you are not covered. The first line here is SSRI's which completely screw with me. Because of this a well known trauma hospital gave me a diagnosis of BiPolar (which I am not in any way shape or form) because she said, 'those who react to SSRI's like this are BiPolar'. LOL. So be it it say the gods. Anyways, my friends all laughed. However, I now have to be careful that they do not prescribe antipsychotics for me (which she suggested) as this is the next line of defense for someone with BiPolar. To make a long story short, they come to assumptions here that PTSD be dealt with this way and if that doesn't work then you have 'this' and if that doesn't work you have 'this'. Finally the system drives you so crazy you end up crazy.

Long story short, I am on benzpdiazepines (only because my doctor got around the system as she saw what was happening to me on the SSRI's). I have been stable enough since I was put on them to be successful in private therapy. Government therapy would send me straight into CBT as first line of defense which in the past messed with me so badly I thought I was irretrievable.

NOS people are not taken seriously at all because there is no form of step 1, step 2 pattern for them so they are treated like crap here. Nobody knows what to do with an NOS classification. What pill helps NOS'ers? Lock them up!

If the classifications were less broad then I am certain the treatment would not damage us so in answer to your last question - yes, I absolutely believe so.

 

[Pencil]

@shimmerz, thanks that makes sense.