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Discussing Transference..is It Shop Talk?

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Skylynx

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I've been trying hard to discuss my Transference feelings for my T, but she acts like she doesn't know anything about it.

I just know that can't be true. Now I'm feeling that talking about it technically is something I'm not supposed to be smart enough to do. Instead, I'm supposed to just unload all my social and work problems, (which I care nothing about) and the Transference supposedly takes care of itself as time goes on.

When I read a book on transference, I'm now believing it's their shop talk that they talk among themselves, but I'm not supposed to know anything about it, just do it. Am I wrong?
 
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How have you brought it up to her? And what are you hoping to get from the conversation?

I'm my experience, it's not just shop talk. What your therapist is doing sounds really odd, to me. But it makes me wonder how you are talking about it in session and what ways she expresses her ignorance about it.
 
If a therapist really seems to not know anything about transference that would be a red flag. If anything else is going on, that would be something to discuss more with your therapist.

What sort of therapist Is she? Training, trauma experience, approach, etc? And...

a) what made you choose her?

b) what did you tell her about why you want therapy?
 
Ouch, I'm sorry your T isn't tailing to you about it - have you asked her directly, i.e. used the word TRANSFERENCE?

I realize a lot of what I thought was my former T 'avoiding' the issue was more in fact to do with my inability to be direct bout what it was I was feeling and fearing. Might have turned out better had I had the courage to talk about it.

In my wide reading on the topic, I have read some T's are just not comfortable taking about it - it says a lot more about them, than us, and usually points to their counter-transfernce.

I encourage you to use the word transference when talking to your T about it.

Be very direct - SAY "lately I've been having these really strong feelings towards you, that I know must be more to do with past relationships but it's leaving me distressed and I need to talk about it with you". You will also probably have to explain what the feelings are and how they leave you feeling.

Does your T have 'supervision'? Ie, talks to another T on a regular basis as part of debriefing and working on any issues she finds difficult in the therapy process?

Can you be more specific about what exactly you have told her so far? It's important to clarify if you are being too indirect (understandable given it's a very hard thing to talk about!)? As I said, I hinted a lot and sent a vague email to my former T, but in hindsight, I can see 'duh' - I needed to be more open and clear about what it was I was meaning, rather than assume she could 'work it out'.
 
I agree with you that I havn't really talked about it very directly. I talk about Inner child, but can't get up the nerve to ask plainly about MY transference for fear she will lecture me on being more independent. My fault really. I just wish she would ask me first. I want my Inner kid to merge with me eventually, but think we should discuss how I'm dissociated and can't get my adult self together with the childishness. Especially I'm childish about T but so embarrassed to admit it.
 
When I have things I need to say in therapy that I fear I will not say aloud, I make sure to write them down and give them to him.

I'd suggest just printing out your paragraph, above, and giving it to her - or email if you and she communicate that way. It would be a great start to a more productive therapeutic relationship.
 
How about female with male T? I am a child sexual abuse survivor ( male abuser). I did not think I wanted a male T at first. I am usually scared and distrustful of men. I think he's a great T and I feel a weird connection with him. How odd is this?
 
I agree with you that I havn't really talked about it very directly. I talk about Inner child, but can't get up the nerve to ask plainly about MY transference for fear she will lecture me on being more independent.
Ok, that changes a bit what you said in your first post if you look at it. I think a lot of this comes down to projection. You are projecting your fear of talking about it with her onto her and deciding that it means she wants to deny it or not allow you to talk about it - actually it's your fear that's preventing it being a subject to talk about.

You haven't actually mentioned transference to her but you've already decided how she would react and what she would think of you if you did. I do this all the time with things, but it's important to look at it and take ownership of what is coming from you and what is coming from her.

Is there anything she's actually said or done that makes you think you're not 'smart enough' or do those feelings come from somewhere else too do you think?
 
@Skylynx - Thank you for clearing that up - as you can see, it makes a HUGE difference in what sort of support we can give you - with it being assumed you are direct to her about your concerns, the replies you got were not really relevant to your situation - it was assumed she was not a very good T, or didn't know about transference. When in reality it's that you are afraid of her reaction.

IU know I have posted a lot about my current situation - and I have listed different idea's for you to talk to your T about tit - namely EMAIL her and / or WRITE it down on a piece of paper and take it with you for her to read.

I very much relate to the fear of 'but she will tell me to be more independent' - what I take this fear to be about, as it is with most of us in this situation - is we are afraid of our needs not being met. It can be incredibly painful to have the REALITY of the therapeutic relationship acknowledged - that yes, no matter how much you want her to 'care' for you and no matter how much you care for her, it can not, and never should be reciprocated in exactly the way your inner child is desperate for.

That is my observation and experience in terms of fear of talking about it in therapy. We express a need we have, we express our deepest feelings, and it can't be reciprocated in the way we NEED. It begins the very hard to accept fact that growing up, we missed out. We had ONE chance to have unconditional parent love, and that was not what we received, even though we deserved it and should have had it. And now we are grown up, adults, we can never get what we missed out on. My last severe anorexic relapse last year was specifically related to this painful (very very very painful) realization. Sure, I had know it intellectually, but trying to face it on an emotional level, I was unable to cope with it, and starved my body to a skeleton rather than face the pain.

I think you're doing awesome @Skylynx, in positing about it and looking for ways to bring it up with your T. Chances are she will know it's there, but as I have posted before, most Ts know it is incredibly difficult for us to acknowledge, let alone deal with - until we are ready to - so will not push it too hard, or bring it up, until we, the clients do.

Imagine if she hard bought it up with you a few weeks ago? Or before you were ready to realize / acknowledge it was there? Personally, I would have run a mile and stopped going to therapy - if my T had raised it with me, I would have been deeply affected and it would have done a LOT of emotional harm to me and my ability to work with her severely compromised.

Would you consider emailing your T?

I find one good way to bring up a topic I am afraid to talk about is to start with "there is something I need to talk about but I am really really afraid of what your response will be ….". It enables you and your T to talk AROUND the issue, providing you with a chance to 'test' what different reactions she might have. I remember with my former T, I said I was really afraid she would manipulate me or use my feelings against me, if I revealed certain things to her. So we spent an entire session talking about 'what that would look like' - HOW would she manipulate me or 'turn against me' - what sort of things would she say or do in that worst case scenario?

In the end, I was actually laughing with her, as to the silliness of it - cos by talking about it with her, even though we were not talking about The Issue (yet), I was able to dispel a LOT of my irrational fears. It enabled me to bring it up with her and talk about the scary things.

End of the day - you can only work to resolve the feelings you have if you are open, honest and direct with her - so question now is - how will you do that, and when?
 
@Skylynx , I want to echo this statement:
You haven't actually mentioned transference to her but you've already decided how she would react and what she would think of you if you did. I do this all the time with things, but it's important to look at it and take ownership of what is coming from you and what is coming from her.

Digger just gave a super-good example of how you are being affected by transference. You might ask yourself who in your life has rejected what you say (or denied it's truth); or, perhaps, who else you assume will do this to you.

But really: you have not brought it up at all. So go ahead and do it. I'd print this whole thread and bring it in. She will find it very useful in beginning to work on these issues with you.
 
I think what's going on is probably my projection, like Digger said...I assume T doesn't allow transference because I'm so judgmental against it.

But I did make some progress last session by showing T a picture of a 2 yr. old child (not me). I then said that after my mother died at one yr. old, the 5 different aunts that took care of me one after the other, each would yell at me "I'm not your mother" whenever I needed something. A million times they said that, it seems. (I've posted this saying on other topics, so excuse if this sounds repetitious) I learned to stay outdoors all the time and didn't even come in to use the bathroom. Anyway, my inner child dreads hearing T say similar facts of reality.

A question I want to ask is this: I know very well T can't be my mother even tho I have strong transference, so does that mean I'm supposed to just grieve the impossibility of this until I'm all grieved out? Is it grieving that fixes this dependency? I read in some material on transference that grieving is the way to get over these feelings. Thanks all of you for your responses above. They are very helpful!
 
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