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When Will People Ever Understand That Abuse Destroys Others?

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Tippi

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Hello, everyone......

Sometimes I'm amazed by the lack of understanding in this world, even among so-called "experts." Why pathologize survival techniques and call them "disorders?"? My word......it makes no sense to me whatsoever. If you grow up being chronically abused and tormented, why would you NOT end up feeling anxious or depressed? Why wouldn't you dissociate? Why wouldn't you develop panic attacks and/or insomnia and/or alters and/or rage and anger? Why wouldn't you be hypervigilant? Why wouldn't you develop fear of social situations and/or perfectionism and/or compulsiveness? Why would you NOT learn to blame yourself and hate yourself? Why wouldn't you self-injure or want to commit suicide?

Why, indeed?

Who is acknowledging the truth? I do get so tired of our American mythology. I really do. You know, we can "all pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. We need to stop complaining. Stop the victim mentality."

Are you kidding me? Why not tell the truth, for once? Why not acknowledge that living with abusers and narcissists and psychopaths and bullies damages children, teenagers, and adults? Why not admit that some people are destroying other human beings with their cruelty? I'm talking about covert and overt, active and passive, gaslighting, emotional neglect, verbal assaults, along with sexual and physical abuse.

Why are we the ones that feel the blame and shame and guilt? Why do we have to hide what was done to us, by no fault of our own? Why must we protect the sensiibilities of others who simply do not want to hear about or admit that our parents and our spouses and our friends and strangers have done these reprehensible things to us and caused us harm? Why do we feel ostracized because we received a diagnosis that we don't want our coworkers or bosses to ever know? Why do we live daily with these inner feelings we can't express openly except to therapists and a few trusted others, if we're lucky. Why must we lose our jobs? Feel shame from going on disability? Apologize for crying? Feel ashamed at not being "normal (whatever that is)"?

I have experienced all of the above. And, frankly, I am sick of it. Our world must at some point accept the reality that there are people who are destroying other people's lives. And the people whose lives are being destroyed, often by a "thousand little cuts," almost impercetibly (and that type of abuse is often the scariest, in my opinion), deserve better treatment from the world!!

Stop it already! Stop looking down on us. We've had to develop inner strength that you can't even fathom. Stop tsk-tsking and pitying us! We are people just like you, people who've had the misfortune to be mistreated and manipulated and tormented and abused. We didn't ask for it. We must deal with it. So stop adding to our shame and guilt and pain! We are victims, so stop with the stupid platitudes and the non-helpful ridiculous one-liners which only add to our shame and guilt......stop with the "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." (Really, really? Well, excuse me, but I've had my abundance of being almost killed off by others' crappy behavior.) Stop with the "Well, where were you and what were you wearing?" when you're talking to a rape victim. Stop with the "What did you do to HIM or HER?" when you're talking to a domestic abuse survivor, be they male or female. Stop with the "Just forget it" and "Get over it already" and "Why do you still let that bother you?" and the "You're over-reacting" and the "You're overly sensitive." Stop with the subtle and the not-so-subtle judgments. They're condescending and they're patronizing. Do you think we don't have the ability to recognize your condescension? Please.......we may be wounded, but we're not stupid. Stop acting as if you are somehow better than we are, or more blessed, or more full of enlightenment, because you would never, ever have chosen the behaviors we have chosen in order to get through another day. Listen.......you have no idea what behaviors you would choose to use to get through a day unless you had lived in our shoes. In fact, you might be doing much worse. Self-harm, self-injury, suicidal thoughts, suicide attempts........you may have checked out of life loooooonnnnnngggg before I ever considered the idea.

Listen, world. We are here. We are just as valid, just as significant, just as important as you are, you who had the opportunities and the blessings we could only dream about. You who got the decent parents, the college education, the high-paying job, the beautiful or handsome face, the good genes, the fantastic health. You who through no real aptitude or talent received what we too wish we had. But we are here. And we are strong. And we are struggling every day or our lives to make it. We love our families and spouses and children, just as you do. We want to make it on our own, just as you do. We want good jobs, just as you do. We want decent places to live and enough money to send our children to college and we want vacations and celebrations. We want peace and serenity, too. We want to be loved by someone, heard by someone, validated by someone, accepted by someone. And we deserve that. Just as you do. You are not better than we are. In fact, we may have more inner strength, deeper character, more capacity for empathy and love, than you will ever have in your entire life. Why? Because we have been to the bottom and we are still climbing out. We never give up....not unless we're so depleted that we have nothing left inside. We struggle every single day. And we struggle in ways that are so profound that you would sit in awe of us were you to know.

We are wonderful.....and powerful......and fragile......and wounded......and struggling. We are the warriors of this world. You may not recognize that, but we are the warriors.

Stop treating us as if we are flawed because some disordered human being(s) chose to abuse us. Or because we have witnessed a horrendous event. Or lived in chronic trauma.

We are not weak. We are strong and beautiful. If only you could get your mind off of yourself long enough to really see that and understand that.

I wrote this as a soapbox issue. I feel passionately about this topic.
 
Tippi, sweet one!

Unfortunately, they will never learn because they don't think they have a problem, i.e. narcissism or denial. They don't care what they do to others and they don't want to know the truth that they caused hurt to people who only wanted to love them. When I dumped my abusive family, they still think that I was the one that was wrong in divorcing my mentally abusive husband. Worst yet, they thought I was nothing more than an emotional mess and all they had to do was look in the mirror at themselves to see that what they said they said about themselves, not you and not me.
Unfortunately, after much thinking, they will never say, "I'm sorry" or "Forgive me" because they don't want to admit their wrongdoing. I will never get to the point of closure and I have accepted that. The way I had to look at this from a psychological point of view is that there is no closure no matter what crime was committed against you. Forgiveness and forgetting can be a long road for people or for no one at all and it will not be held against you. The best thing, in my opinion, you can do is to think of how beautiful you are inside to me and so many of us here and that we love you as a family that has gone through their own issues and horrors. Look at the mirror at the beauty staring back at you-they are the problem, not you. With such a wonderful soul, they don't deserve you.
 
Stop treating us as if we are flawed because some disordered human being(s) chose to abuse us. Or because we have witnessed a horrendous event. Or lived in chronic trauma.

I can tell you are really passionate about this point of view; but I have a different way of looking at it that I'd like to share.

I am absolutely comfortable calling my disorder a "disorder". At the end of the day, while the people who did this to me surely have disorders of their own, I am definitely the one left holding the PTSD bag. And I do not for a moment think that there isn't something wrong with me.

I don't mean wrong in the sense of "I'm bad, I'm aberrant" (though I do sometimes feel like that also). I mean wrong in that no, I do not think intrusive thoughts should be the fenceposts of my day, and I'm working as hard as I can to get this disorder called PTSD to go into remission.

I've worked at my depression as well - and will continue to do so, even though it resists all my efforts; I will not accept that depressed is just my "normal", or that its acceptable. I lived like that for a long, long time. I can't live like that anymore.

So yes - I am flawed. I have Major Depressive Disorder and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. These things create huge cracks in my psyche that I am working very hard to fix. And I do not mind when I can be given accommodations for these things because they are as valid an illness as any other.

Accepting you have a disorder and maintaining a positive self-image are not mutually exclusive, you know?

In fact, we may have more inner strength, deeper character, more capacity for empathy and love, than you will ever have in your entire life. Why? Because we have been to the bottom and we are still climbing out.

I don't see why we need to have more or less than other people. This is a dangerous game, in my opinion: "my pain is more than your pain" - it's never true. We are simply on different scales. First of all, you never know someone's inner life, so you should never assume. And second: who is to say that my colleague's claustrophobia is somehow less painful than my torture? For my colleague, claustrophobia is literally the worst thing in his world. And I would not call that lesser in comparison with my suicidality, or flashbacks, or anything.

Just my opinion, take it or leave it. I just believe very strongly that it is important to see the disorder for what it is: it's a whole lot of wrong that we are all striving to make right.
 
Holy Crap @Tippi, your post is AWESOME! Honestly, you said all I've wanted to say and its very well written!

I can't stand the rhetoric about victims...."stop the victim mentality". Uhm, last I checked, I was very much victimized, so yeah, that does in fact make me a victim. Why are you afraid to hear that? Do you not want to know about the evils of society? Are you afraid of evil touching so close to home? Is it impossible for you to hear that there are sweet ladies living next door who lead Donna Reid type lives but end up molesting little girls? Yeah, I bet THAT one is hard for you to swallow, because if you admitted the truth, you wouldn't let your kids out of your sight until they were 18. Sorry I can see the truth while you live a life of denial. I guess it lets you sleep better at night, right?

I am TIRED of being ashamed for being on disability! I am tired of people asking me when I am getting a job! I am tired of the BS crap spread across social media in which those who are on "benefits" are put down left and right for using the system, and complained about because we live better than "hard working Americans." I CALL BS! I actually called a friend out on his bashing of those who receive benefits and his response was "oh, I didn't mean you." Uhm, REALLY!?! Cuz your lovely Facebook post pretty much put everyone on benefits into the crapper. (Yet another reason I cancelled Facebook....no compassion to be seen anywhere.)

I don't know why the world saw an need to become uber PC. YES, there ARE those of us who suffer more than others! I know I suffer more than a lot of other people, but I am not so blind as to be unable to see that there are those who suffer more than me. I don't know why we can't simply say that there are indeed degrees of suffering. Yes, this is the truth, so why invalidate someone's....anyone's suffering by saying that we all suffer in the same way....or in different ways, but no one person's suffering is worse than another's. Ok, extreme example, but that's like saying the person with a hangnail is suffering just as much as the person who is locked up for life in a mental institution because he suffers from delusional paranoid schizophrenia. Honestly, this thinking is so skewed! (And yes, I oftentimes resort to extreme examples to reason things in my own mind, I realize this, but it is the extreme examples which prove my point.) Its like that lovely person (ha) on Twitter who said that her suffering from online harassment was just as bad as going to war. SMH. But I digress...

Awesome post. I love it.
 
People who do not have PTSD, or other long-term effects of abuse just don't understand it. There answer is platitudes that just make use feel worse.

If I could "just get over it" I would
if I could "pull myself up by my own bookstraps" I would
If I would not "be so sensitive about everything" I would
If I could, would, should have a lot of things I would be different.

isn't it funny that nobody says if someone would have stopped the bullying, or if someone would have stopped the abusers. It is almost as if it is our own fault, and the abusers have no responisiblity for their actions.
Tippi, I agree that people should know, could know and would know that abuse causes life-long problems. The problem is, although they should know, could know and would know if the cared; they don't care, and that dear friend is the heart of the problem.
 
Phenomenal post @Tippi . I wonder if facing the truth about what happens in 'happy families' would just be too much for society to handle? It is just easier to stigmatize those of us who are a product of these abusive environments. It also often comes down to how we value children and the marginalized. I've done a lot of volunteering with homeless youth recently and the conditions of the shelters are awful. I went into a 'classroom' that had no books or computers aside from a set of encyclopedia. These young people need the most, but get the least, society doesn't care, yet to hear their stories, it would break your heart.
The societal neglect of the young who are wounded pisses me off.
 
The problem is, although they should know, could know and would know if the cared; they don't care, and that dear friend is the heart of the problem.

I agree totally. I just wanted to get on my soapbox and express what I've been thinking and feeling for a while, now. Thank all of you for letting me do that!
 
Phenomenal post @Tippi
The societal neglect of the young who are wounded pisses me off.

I agree with you completely! My heart always goes out to children. I get angry about it, too. It's wrong.......

I believe you can pretty much ascertain the heart and soul of a people and a nation by watching how it treats its most innocent and its most oppressed people. How does it treat its homeless? its abused children? its elderly? its ill and infirm? its poor and disenfranchised?

Thanks for sharing that with me.
 
@Solara, I'm right there with you! I agree with everything you've said. Why make people feel worse? Disability was put into place for a reason. And no one knows when they may be in need of going on disability at some point in their lives, either.

And I agree with you about this demonization of the word, "victim." People should look it up. It's a valid term, a way to describe someone who's actually been victimized. There is no shame in having been a victim. Did anyone ever ask to become a victim? No. It is merely a word, a descriptive word. It shouldn't come along with a truckload of stigmatizing labels..........I think people automatically think of any victim as being a "crybaby.....lazy......wimp.......sissy........weakling, etc." I'm not sure when we as a society started thinking that victims deserve further victimization by shaming them. Not everyone thinks that way, of course. But it does seem to be that every time I'm watching the news, there's some type of victim-blaming taking place, no matter how insidious. Like you said, I guess it makes people feel better in some way to tell themselves, "Well, that person did such-and-such and that's why that happened to him/her......and because I don't do such-and-such, that could never happen to me." Maybe it's all about people trying to tell themselves that they could never become victims because they're "not like other victims." You know....it's the "us and them" sort of divisive thinking that polarizes people into different categories. If we blame victims, then we don't have to think about how we could become victims ourselves, through absolutely no fault of our own. Maybe that's it, but I don't know.

And you shouldn't have to feel a bit ashamed about being on disability. Unfortunately, though, in our society, work does seem to define people; I have always found that to be so ridiculous. I have known some very successful people, by society's standards, and they were in real life the biggest a**holes on the planet. They treated their spouses and children like chattel. They were ruthless and uncaring, judgmental and lacking empathy. I don't get it. I respect people who are kind, who are empathic, who are good to those closest to them. Those are the people I most admire. I don't care if you're an executive making a million a year or a worker at the window at McDonald's. Your character is the most important thing about you, at least in my opinion. I don't mean that you're perfect.....no one is. But it seems to me that we need different standards in our society. Let's stop asking people what they DO, and ask them who they ARE. I care about the inside of a person, not the outside. You are just as important and significant while on disability as if you were working at a job outside the home. That's my opinion, and I am sticking to it!

I'm so glad you liked my post, Solara. Want to know how triggered I got yesterday after writing it? Wow.....was I ever triggered. And I started feeling more and more depressed, wishing I hadn't written it, wanting to come back and erase it. I often feel this way when I express myself. Yesterday, I started feeling deeply ashamed and I thought, "What a stupid thread you started.....no one cares about your stupid thoughts anyway. Why don't you just shut up, anyway?" I hate to admit this, but the shame and self-loathing sort of took over and I could barely sleep last night from the anxiety. Guess I was afraid of being judged(?)

I grew up not being allowed to express myself at all. We weren't permitted to show feelings or to express ourselves verbally. So I just learned to be quiet.

But I have some issues I feel very strongly and passionately about. Very much so. And I thought this would be a safe place to express those.

I was even extremely anxious about coming back to this topic at all. But I forced myself to today. So thank you for your post. It means so much to me. I really do believe that people who have PTSD and those with other so-called "mental disorders" are often not treated with the respect they deserve. Guess that's what I am so angry about.

Thank you............:)
 
@joeylittle , thanks for sharing all of your thoughts!

I in no way think it's wrong or shameful to admit that one has PTSD or any other disorder. I wasn't trying to imply that....if I did, I apologize! I don't believe anyone should have to hide the fact they have depression or anxiety or PTSD or any other physical or mental or emotional issue. We should be able to freely express, live with, share (or choose not to share), seek help without fear of losing our jobs, etc--all without being shamed or blamed or stigmatized.

Some people in our society do make it difficult for us to be open and honest. We do feel shamed and stigmatized, on occasion. That's what angers me. It's the responses and reactions we often receive once we've opened up (which can be extremely difficult) and shared our disorder with someone else.

Funny, but I don't look at people with PTSD as flawed, really. But then I don't tend to look at people with any illness--mental, emotional, physical--as flawed. Guess we're just talking semantics......I do understand what you're saying, and I do respect your views very much, though we may differ a bit. I certainly can understand what you mean.

I also never meant to sound as if I thought we sufferers of PTSD are "better" than other people. I don't think that for one second. But I have run into many people during my lifetime who, for whatever reason, were judgmental, unkind, unempathic, and harsh when discussing people on disability and people who suffer with depression, anxiety, PTSD, etc. It's those people I was thinking of when I was writing my post. I have known, sadly, many of these types and I am always left frustrated and weary after hearing their rants about "people taking advantage of the system," and "those people just don't try hard enough," and "all they do is whine and bellyache,"........I'm definitely frustrated by people who think this way. What I was trying to express was how angry I feel at those people who judge others by labeling them as "weak," when in fact those who suffer PTSD and other disorders may be stronger in character and fortitude.

And I do want to clarify and say that I have never once in my life thought that you could quantify anyone's pain. I wouldn't even think about doing that. How do I possibly know what another person is going through? I can't judge another person's pain severity, nor would I want to. I agree with you completely........that would be dangerous ground, indeed. No, I didn't mean that.

Let me thank you for sharing. I can't even tell you how much I appreciate different opinions because they provoke me to a further depth of thought. I always learn something! Thanks so much.
 
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