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Pain In Limbs, Physical Symptoms Of Ptsd/complex Trauma?

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Melody coates

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so i get aches my limbs from time to time. mostly in my legs. they started in childhood and i always blew them off because i was told that they were just growing pains. i am now 22 and i still get these aches. i've asked many doctors and they all give me different answers. none of them think its anything serious. i was diagnosed with ptsd by a pyscologist (athough i think complex ptsd fits better. im gonna have to diccuss that with her some other time). i have done some research and trauma can cause affects on the body. i also have a history of digestive problems and i recently had surgery cuz my colon was literally twisted up. my digestive problems were never made aware by a doctor and my colon stretched over the years and started to flop around twist up. anyone else suffere from these issues? opionins?
 
I think that feeling the pains is a natural outcome of the hyper vigilance in PTS. I don't think that the long term high levels of stress hormones help with either the pains or with your digestive system.
 
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thank you for your opinion! it sucks having to take tylonel or other pain reliever every other week or so. its o bad that i feel like i have to carry my own bottle of pain pills in my purse! and a twisted colon is horrible! i wouldn't wish that pain on my worst enemy. i was told i could've died from it
 
I think it could be PTSD, but there are other things that it could be as well, so I wouldn't be so quick as to write it off as PTSD. The thing is that doctors completely underestimate the power of what we eat in how we feel. I have a gluten sensitivity and have many of the same symptoms that you do----but no doctor ever even suggested that I may have food sensitivities! (And my allergy tests came back negative, so that was frustrating when I know that I am allergic to certain foods.) Unfortunately the only way to really tell if you have food sensitivities is to do a complete food detox. It stinks, but if that's your culprit, you'll be SO happy you went through with it.
 
Research into fybromyalgia may also help. It is common for people to suffer with joint pains and physical symptoms when they have psychological trauma.

Laurie
 
Ask them about Somatoform disorder ( I have it) and it can be combined with PTSD and is the physical manifestation of stress-- not faking. It can do really crazy things with digestion and pretty much every other part of the body and it is pretty obscure so it takes ages to get diagnosed
 
We can be diagnosed with PTSD, but my therapist is treating me from a perspective of complex trauma (even if that term doesn't work with the insurance companies or whatever). Probably not a big difference in terms of the treatment except I'm wading through several separate traumas and I don't always know what is what. I'm doing a somatic-focused trauma therapy (Somatic Experiencing, other movement therapy stuff). I also have a lot of physical pain (painkillers daily). For me it is probably protective, but possibly even related to early medical problems and hospitalizations. Body or somatic psychotherapy seems helpful in working with that stuff I can't express or understand, but finding ways to tolerate pain better (certain forms of pain make me panic or feel really overwhelmed...while others, like slicing open an arm after being hurled from my bike doesn't bug me at all). It also helps with "releasing" some of that trauma, though it's a longer process than I would have maybe imagined...lots of "stuff" in there.

I've also had some GI problems before and lots of horrid cramping pain, though that is likely all hormonal (but my therapist has suggested that a part of it being so off track might be connected to trauma-rearrangement of endocrine function)

I don't know the nature of your trauma, but in a really general way the legs would be connected to a "flight" or possibly fight response. Releasing that trauma often involves sort of shaking in the legs, even if you didn't realize your body was "running". I have some of that, but most of my stuff is probably pre-flight (like running wasn't a physical option), and likely pain that is a sort of excruciating freeze or protective response. I really confused my doctor, who was an eating disorder specialist, when I developed all this pain after gaining a healthy weight. Low weight, semi-starvation was modulating something in my nervous system...like I was semi-stoned. All this "energy" became too much. I wondered about conversion disorder or somatoform stuff and researched body/movement sorts of therapy. My current therapist lumps all my symptoms under trauma (her terms being "high intensity complex trauma") but obviously supports me running troublesome mystery symptoms by my physician as well. For me, this kind of therapy has seemed like the best fit so far (though I admit I also just managed poorly in traditional "talk" therapy...just couldn't talk much and felt lots of squirminess and tension that I felt helpless about).

Anyway, if you aren't working with a trauma therapist, it would be worth looking into.
 
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There's a reason for that... because there is no such valid diagnosis as complex PTSD.
... According to the APA's current DSM.

Within the limits of that qualification, the statement is (tautologically) correct.

That tautology may, or may not tell us something which is valid in the real world.

There is no evidential basis available for what gets into the DSM, versus what does not get in.

Neither the submissions made to the committee, nor the committee deliberations are made available for outside examination.

Without access to data, there is no basis for a scientific argument, it is therefore currently an eminence based assertion rather than evidence based theory.

No engineer, chemist, physicist nor geologist (ie real scientist who's work can be tested) would ever accept a theory without seeing both strong evidence to support it, and finding no evidence falsifying it.

Straight off the bat, I can give you examples of several currently accepted paradigms, when they had single figures of adherents. Those paradigms are accepted on the basis of their ability to explain real world observations. If their acceptance had depended on the votes of the eminent members of a committee, behind closed doors... I think our world would be a much more primitive place.

The none geocentric universe - had two proponents, Copernicus and Gallileo. Gallileo recanted after being accused of heresy.

Continental drift (which was incorporated into plate tectonics - the unifying theory of earth sciences, in the late 1960s- early 1970s) was down to only one high profile advocate in the mid 20th century, Arthur Holmes, Professor at Durham.

Priestly, the discoverer of oxygen, despite the evidence which he himself collected, never deviated from his belief in the "phlogiston" paradigm of combustion.

It is now 52 years since Thomas Kuhn, published "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions". A work which the Psychiatric associations appear to remain amazingly impervious to.

Please, let's remember, the categories which get called "conditions" are tools of thought. We group similar things together to try to identify other similarities between them. Those groupings might have more or less usefulness for explaining the real world and how it works.

We can group round things together

and as sub groups we can group together things which bounce very well in one group and things which don't bounce so well in another.

The group of round things could contain rubber balls, glass marbles and peas

The group of things which bounce very well would only include the rubber balls

While the peas and glass marbles are all round and in the sub category of things which don't bounce very well - it does not imply that they are the same things in all other ways.

The categories which we use here, are the same, they may be more or less useful in explaining the real world, but please, let's not get hung up on criticizing the territory for not following what the map says it should be.

There are other potential paradigms out there. Traumatologist John Briere, for example has joked that if C-PTSD were given its full recognition, then the DSM would be reduced from its current doorstop thickness to a thin pamphlet.

Given that a number of eminent members of the APA, and the association itself, gain considerably from the compilation and prestige of the DSM, and that many specialities and research grants are supported on the basis of categories within the DSM, and billions of dollars annually in medications and the approval of new medications is predicated on the DSM.

It would be very easy (and not scientific) to present a conspiracy case for the secrecy surrounding the compilation of the DSM and for C-PTSD being omitted.

However it is on the basis of evidence that we should be working, and I would argue that there are probably more contributors to this site, than all of the members of the DSM committees have seen PTSD cases in their working lives.

Even half an hour of looking around the forum will dispel a number of popular myths.

I'm not going to diminish or be-little anyone's trauma and life experiences - but a look at the disparity of posts between military and emergency services as the source of trauma - compared to sexual abuse (there's about a hundred fold disparity in posts) gives some indication of the distribution of PTS traumas in society at large.

A look at what researchers are looking for participants to take part in shows that the funding is skewed in the opposite direction (predominantly military), and that the weight of published papers will reflect that bias.

Anyway - I'll wrap up. hopefully I've made the point that the world and the contributors to this board are far more interesting than the DSM. I believe it would be a huge mistake to try to make the territory of posters here arbitarily conform to the (possibly incorrect) map presented in the secretively compiled DSM.

Arguably, we are likely to be discovering more about PTS and its effects on individuals, here, than has ever been previously known.
 
All of that is fascinating @Anarchy, but it doesn't change the current state of legal diagnosis, and it applies to the ICD as well. As of right now, there is no legal or formally accepted diagnosis of CPTSD. Trauma is not PTSD, they are two different things. Complex trauma is very real, complex PTSD has no agreed and accepted diagnostic criterion. What you have right now, is people working from all different interpretations of criterion, with no agreed application. Basically... you have therapists doing their own thing, which to me, is the same as doctors doing their own thing. In the scheme of medicine, and mental health falls under medical, that is dangerous. Will this change? Who knows... I'm not here to assume anything futuristic, because that is an assumptive thought inferred as though factual, which is also damaging and incorrect. The ICD is looking into it, and there are discussions on here already... but so far even the ICD (WHO) have simply linked the term to an existing personality disorder, possibly for inclusion in the next version around 2015 / 2016. Not exactly what those behind CPTSD were aiming for either.

So one could say... the largest medical health organisation in the world, also currently doesn't support the here-say going on in relation to the criterions that several experts are trying to push as valid, naming themselves as founders or such.

There are diagnoses that adequately cover complex trauma right now, it just means two diagnoses instead of the one trying to be pushed that combine parts of Axis I and Axis II disorders.
 
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Somehow insurance is able to pay for my sessions. And my only "diagnosis" is "global high-intensity complex trauma" . It's NOT in the DMSV (whatever). But it's the most accurate framework for me. The terms relax to complex trauma but also, the global high intensity relates to really early medical problems and near death experiences. PTSD is fine. But my therapist is able to take my big mess and come up with a better descriptor...helps me feel less fundamentally f*cked up...and more like I'm injured and trying to heal
 
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