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Relationship He's Pushed Himself Too Far

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Hey, fellow strugglers, longtime reader, first time poster trying to keep this mess as brief as possible since everyone knows the basics anyway. :)

Quick intro: Because we obviously are completely bonkers, my vet and I have been trying to make a 2-PTSD relationship work. We're both in therapy with specialists in their fields (sexual trauma for me, combat-related for him), and have been for four and six years, respectively.

While I've responded relatively well to therapy, he didn't get anywhere with his, blocked absolutely everything his therapist said or suggested etc., pretty much until the moment things between us started to get serious, which was when his poor doc suddenly barely managed to keep up with the speed my vet was slapping his issues onto the table.

To each other, we've been very open about our pasts, issues and the difficulties/insecurities that come with them right from the start. Despite leading very different lives five hours apart, the whole thing was about as Disney-ish as it could ever be with two messed-up souls like ours, for about a year.

Now, however, he seems to have gone right into warp-drive with me just like he did with his therapist.
He'd started talking marriage very early on in our relationship already, and I carefully talked him out of it for the time being because it was way, waaaaay too soon.

The topic came back up about six weeks ago, at a fairly bad time for me, and I told him as much, basically saying, "I love you, and I'm not saying I'll never marry you, I just can't do this right now."
In his head, it seems, that translated to "you're not good enough" (a frame of mind I had to work like a mofo to rid him of before).

Within two weeks, he tackled all his perceived "shortcomings" on all fronts at once.
Despite being nowhere near ready (emotionally), he cut all ties with his utterly toxic family except for his son, he put his house on the market to eliminate the issue of distance, and, probably most importantly, he kicked the career that defined (and ruined) his entire life. December 31 will be his last day as a soldier and, with that, the last time he's got access to the army hospital and his therapist.

I've supported him through this best I could, though my warnings that it might be too much for him to handle, especially with winter being the hardest time for him anyway, fell on deaf ears. He said he needed this and that alone made it the right thing to do.

As of two weeks ago, it has proven to be too much.
He's gone dark, 4000-to-0, like so many of us know/do, and I cannot claim I'm handling it well at all.

When I withdraw, I've found that being poked constantly works well to get me to burst out of my shell just to get my peace, when he does it, he needs to be left alone by anyone but his son. I know this, we've had times of no-contact before and he always came back after four days tops, but this time, I'm ashamed to say I blew up on him via text because the way he'd failed to take care of himself had really pushed me too far.

Long story short, I think my problem/question is this:
Did any of you ever go through having their sufferer yank the entire ground out from under their own feet?
Why would anyone who's already so fragile do this to begin with?
How does one help them back down when there's nothing but a void where their life used to be?

He's hanging in the air with nowhere to go and it's breaking my heart, but at a time of complete radio-silence, there's just no way for me to reach him at all. He can't handle reading anything I write and won't pick up the phone.

Do I write anyway? I usually wouldn't, but I feel I do need him to know that I did not mean to enter raging-b***h mode, that I only did it because I was worried for him, that I love him and that there is a rock left for him to stand on whenever he's found himself again in that terrifying new world he's created for himself.

So far, I've been barfing my sorrows all over my diary (how adorably old-school), but I guess too many of you know how bleeping hard that is in the long run, especially when your own mind keeps trying to convince you it's all your fault anyway. :(

The cycle just never ends, does it?
 
I am going through a similar experience now myself in many ways, mine just withdrew from school, packed up everything that matters into his truck and will drive off today. I feel your sense of loss in this and struggle with the same questions of knowing what to say to not make it worse and also not know what to say to make him understand. I too suffer from PTSD symptoms though mine show themselves in a different way than his, its so individual to the person. Maybe it will help to write to him but not send it right away, that is what I have been doing.
 
I just want to say that I think you are very brave to be in a relationship with him to begin with. I am so phobic of men I can't imagine leaping off that cliff for someone. I would be obsessing about his every action. Long deep breaths help me calm down. I wish I had experience to share with you and support you. Even in your pain I can hear a sense of humor. I hope you can find outlets to help you laugh along with the tears. I wish you the best. You deserve calm.
 
@GG-love - I know I've been asking for replies exactly like yours, but it still really pains me to read you're going through this. I'm not sure I could've handled being warned before he "left" (as it is, he's closer right now than he usually is. The only docs cleared to treat his particular unit are based a block away from my apartment, and yet a five minute walk is a bigger distance than a five hour drive). I think what's worst is...there's nothing anyone can do but let them go and hope they'll find themselves again along the way.
First you worry if they will ever come back, but even if they do, it feels like the real struggle comes after: The question whether the "new and improved" version then still is someone one can fall in love with all over again - or a complete stranger with a loved one's face.
I've been writing "to him" every day, there's half a book of "shit I'd want to tell you right now", but some days, it just doesn't seem enough.
Thing is...i fear it'll have to be, for however long it takes.
*hugs from afar*

@KwanYingirl - Thank you, but I don't think bravery plays into it at all. It's not like I had a choice.
I'd lived the life of a nun since the day I was assaulted, nothing and no one got through the walls and men didn't even get a second glance - and then that adorable idiot popped up at my work. I was done the instant I saw him (and so was he, though it took him four months to gather the courage to give me his number) - conscious or even sane decisions were not a luxury we were given. :)
Humor and music (and, frankly, too many, too loud nights out on the town) are the only things getting me through most days right now, and I guess that's what I'll have to cling to for a good long while still whenever I can't drown myself in work. I really don't want calm, I want my heart back, but since he's taken it with him on a hard journey of unpredictable outcome, I guess you're right. "Calm" is the next best thing a girl can hope for.
Thank you. :)
 
Well, I can easily imagine doing what he did..... Having said that, I can't EXPLAIN it. But, when I HAVE done things like that, shortly there after, I realize "Oh crap! I might actually NEED that bridge that I just nuked! NOW what do I do????" ....... And there's never been anyone around to help me find tha answer to that question.

Might I ask, what do you WANT to have happen next? Where would you like this to go from here? Because it's obviously not going back to exactly where it was.

What do you think would happen if you just showed up at his door, said, "Sorry about the text, I'm just really worried about you." and waited to see what happened next?
I want my heart back, but since he's taken it with him on a hard journey of unpredictable outcome,
Actually, I really like that line. Could you use some form of it on him?

Putting myself in his position might not be useful, but, in his position, I'd be pleasantly surprised if I found that I hadn't totally and permanently screwed up EVERYTHING that ever mattered to me. Because that's what I'd be thinking.

Good luck!
 
Why would anyone who's already so fragile do this to begin with?

Chuckling. (Ruefully). I do this. I'm notorious for it.
- Action kills fear
- Well, it's gonna suck. May as well get it all over with at once.
- I'm not fragile!!! I can do it myself!!! (Pout, denial, stubborn... Face plant)
- Moti-moti-gotta-lotta-motivation!
- Stupidity
- Flatline learning curve
- #Control-Issues / My fault = I can fix it. (meaning if things are outside of my realm of control, I'll make things harder, on purpose, so I can be angry at myself / still have the illusion of control, rather than be & feel helpless. As an example, my divorce was not my fault. So I quit smoking. Aaaaaaaand Re-did my kitchen. So I could be angry at myself, instead of my ex. It only sucked this bad, because of me. My fault. Therefore I can fix it. As opposed to my ex which couldn't be fixed by an act of god, much less anything I could do.)


How does one help them back down when there's nothing but a void where their life used to be?

At least in my experience, military folk tend to put their faith in people, rather than places. He's got you & he's got his son. Those things haven't changed.

His job? That's a gaping hole. That one worries me. Big time.

If I were to lay money down, never having met the man / I could be completely wrong, it would be on him either
- reconnecting the moment he's found work*. So his tripod is "righted", again. You, son, job. The asterisk would be work he's proud of. Cop, firefighter, student, civilian version of his military job (logistics, air traffic control, cartography, driving truck, whatever it is)... Whatever meets the direct substitute for what the military met for him. If he's ashamed of his new job? Tailspin coming.
- reconnecting by showing up on your doorstep, broke, technically homeless, out of work, & desperate to be loved on.

Again.... That's just If I were to lay money down / just knowing what I do about how I handle things, and other vets I know have done. The third option isn't pretty. It's essentially cutting all ties, so as not to hurt anyone you love (meaning you and his son) and going balls to walls for awhile. Partying, sleeping around, numbing out in every way possible... Or going completely off-grid (camping, friends cabin 1000km away, signing onto super distant work, etc,). Anything that torpedoes my old life, and all of its reminders, until I'm well enough to trust myself again.
 
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@scout86 - Everything he gave up was dragging him down even further, I know it was, so what he did wasn't even completely wrong. What I don't quite grasp is...why did he have to do it all at once?
Probably too damn confident 'cause the last episode had been a)very short and b)a damn long time ago for his standards. *sigh*

I know all too well what I'd want to happen. This particular bridge is one he'll have a hard time burning, and if he returns in pieces, I'll do my f***in' damnedest to put him back together again, because it's what he did for me and he's worth every last moment of fear, doubt and tears for me.
I can only hope he knows that, although I've been moody and distant in our last couple of weeks together myself.

Showing up at his door unfortunately is out of the question. He might be under 5 minutes away right now, but that also means he's in hospital, and at this time where he's at his worst anyway.
He never reacted well to letting me see his weaknesses. He did show them, yes, when he had no choice or felt like he could control them, but it took months for him to even be willing to let me see the first of his physical scars (you know it's bad when the chick with the rape-trauma is willing to get nasty before you do!), showing up unannounced and catching him in a state of exposed, raw emotions would probably only lead to him slamming the door in my face and never opening it again.

His late mom's birthday (hardest day of his year) is coming up next week, I guess that'll have to be the day I make a decision to either contact him or not.
I really just want him to know that I'm sorry, I love him, and will be there when he's ready, whenever that may be.
It just seems like the hardest thing in the world to find the right words for, especially when sending them might only push him farther away.
...does any of this even make sense?

@FridayJones - It's several kinds of terrifying just how well that list of reasons there hits all my theories on the head!
He's gone with one or more of these for other, smaller things in the past, and I've met entire packs of mules that were collectively less stubborn than this guy (and Jesus took fewer of other peoples' sins upon himself than this man blames himself for). Scary thing to read, but at the same time a bit of a relief to see he's not THAT special a snowflake, after all. What isn't completely unique has been survived by someone in the past. :)

Yeah, he's got me - but he's keeping me locked out. I can see why, but that doesn't make it easier to actually believe it is actually doing him any good at all.
Good news is, he's very much talking to his son, so he hasn't given up on everything. He's also still essentially locked in at the hospital, so going whacko with the partying is out of the realm of possibility right now, and getting out of there never failed to give him some sense of relief at least in the past. Getting back to actually being able to do stuff with his kid again when he gets out should help, too.
The moment he goes and withdraws from his son, I'd hear about it, and that'd be the moment the Joined Forces of All That Are Angry And Worried would descend upon him. It would break more than it would fix, but it's what he asked of us, in case he ever sinks that far...so I guess, luckily, that last option is off the table for now. :)

The job-situation really IS the biggie in this.
He wasn't the most willing of soldiers, but a soldier he IS - and stays.
It's defined his entire life, and no matter what he may have claimed, it's going to be a part of him forever.
His trauma, injuries and related illnesses have long since made him unfit for active service, he's been on desk-duty (which he hates even more) for a while now, but he's said he wants nothing more to do with the military in any shape or form. As it was, he said he doesn't want to work at all (doesn't need to, he's got enough cash to last several lifetimes). There's a huge worry of mine - a man who's already feeling worthless not working at all.
Might sound tempting at first, but to me, that just sounds like a bottomless pit waiting to swallow him whole.
He just never wasted a thought on what he'd do if he quit the military and the retired life turned out to not be his thing (at 45!) - or at least he never told me if he did.

I do hope he knows he could show up at my door at any time, in whatever state. He just might be way too proud to ever do it if that means admitting he can't find his footing on his own, and I'm not sure if it isn't the saddest fact in the world that I can actually understand that. *sigh*

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THANK YOU, for your input, btw, both of you!
Crazy helpful, even though it got you a rant of epic proportions and very little sense. :facepalm:
 
First, this is a bit hard to admit, because my official position on the subject is "I don't NEED anyone." but I'd give my right arm, with very little hesitation, to have someone like you in my life. Take that however you want, but I mean it.

Again, I can only speak for myself, but I don't go off on those kinds of tangents out of over confidence. It's more like a version of the old Viking beserker, "this is as good a day as any to die" kind of thing. Like things are about as F'd up as they can get, what ELSE can I throw in there while I'm at it?????? I never expect to "win", don't look for a good outcome, just figure, if you're going down in flames anyway, you might as well make the fire really spectacular. I've never felt good about it afterwards and no real good has ever come of it. Maybe that's not quite true..... maybe once in awhile, something gets thrown into the fire that belongs there. Usually not. Mostly it's true. It's also true that I've occasionally, wished someone would have saved me from myself, knowing full well it wasn't going to happen. I know that's silly and it never happens, but still, the thought is there.

I'm glad he's in a hospital, even though I'm sure he hates it.

You know, I never gave any thought to "what I was going to do when I got too old and/or crippled to do what I'm doing" either. Because I never really considered the possibility of living that long. My T says we all need a reason to get up in the morning (and I'm sure he'd prefer a positive one!). Your guy will have to find one, at some point. There's time for that, but I agree that it's important.
I do hope he knows he could show up at my door at any time, in whatever state. He just might be way too proud to ever do it if that means admitting he can't find his footing on his own, and I'm not sure if it isn't the saddest fact in the world that I can actually understand that. *sigh*
Yep. But, you know, I think the coolest thing in the world would be to have someone know that about you and then find that they loved you anyway.

I sure hope things work out!
 
Friday i think you are right in these times its hard to need someone... need anyone. Thats how my guy is...source of frustration at times but makes me proud to know he holds onto his standards.
 
@scout86 - Healthy or not, we all need someone. Unfortunately, the human soul is a fragile little thing, and as soon as the damage is done and the walls are up, admitting that, even to ourselves, becomes the hardest thing in the world. We're all lonesome warriors, but if we can take the risk of looking behind ourselves for just a moment, rather than at the fairly bleak path ahead, it's pretty damn likely there's someone there who's walking that path with us. They might just be hard to see through the dust stirred up by the battle against ourselves.
Not sure if/how that helps any, but you're not standing in this sh*tstorm alone, whether you want/need to or not. There's always someone running to catch up - it's just that PTSD has a tendency to make you run faster than them.

That said, he's been that someone for me. I never thought anyone would break through my fortress, and I've blocked him time and time again (yay for the complete lack of self-worth and that "I don't deserve this at all" mentality). He just kept on trying, and I guess that's what I have to do for him now.
It may be hard, it might even turn out to be impossible if he does not return, but I can't and won't give up on him.

The biggest problem, I guess, is the fact that, while we may have been brutally open about our problems and (known! ...we've both found more since) triggers, there are some things we absolutely failed to talk about. We never got around to establishing ground rules for times like these when one of us slips too far, maybe out of fear, maybe because there's nothing more unpleasant than bringing up the bad times when it's good. When I have a good day, I refuse to even remember what a bad one feels like, and it's the same for him.

Our coping-mechanisms don't match at all, and, looking back on the way I reacted to his silence this time, I'm afraid I wasn't even in a place where I could've recognized his for what they were, because there's another thing we (well, I) never talked about: That small issue of him not being my first suffering vet.

After a lifetime of being told by his family that he's only worth what's in the bank, and being used, cheated on and bled dry by every woman he allowed to get close, I really didn't want to bring up a past relationship and make the poor guy feel like he had something bigger and better to live up to.
My first vet and I had a great couple of years pre-trauma (that alone might've broken my man now, he's always felt guilty for not being able to "be whole" for me) before we both got torn to shreds during his last tour. We tried for another two years, never recovered - and gave up.
He eventually withdrew completely, never got back out of that black hole of silence, and in the end took his own life.

So, yeah, my reaction to this guy's silence now was controlled by sheer panic that this would happen again. I pushed too far and too hard and I fear some of the sh*t I threw at him could easily be seen as me blaming him for something that's completely out of his control. I'm having one of those days where I can't really think about anything but blaming myself for making him blame himself and wishing I could explain. Whether there's a way back from something like that, I don't know.

I only know I can't give up on him now. He has a reason to get up in the morning. It isn't me, but his son (utterly amazing kid...and, unfortunately, the one I have to count on now to get Dad through the worst), but I still know he needs me to wait for him as I need him to at least come back long enough to truly convince me he's found happiness without me.

Sounds sick, doesn't it? Probably because it is, but maybe there's no good/sane/healthy way when everyone's covered in scars.
Maybe the only way out is through, and it doesn't matter if everyone ends up bleeding a little more along the way.
Maybe "maybe" is as good a certainty as we can get, and that sucks big time.

....and why can't I ever do "short" on here?
 
Wow that part about needing to wait i totally relate to. As well as many other things. Thanks for sharing.
 
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