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Recent Mdma Therapy Experiences

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LostOne1985

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Hello Everyone,

I was wondering, i know there are other threads out there but if anyone has recently had this therapy? I am very much interested in it. I was watching a YouTube video where this veteran was using MDMA illegally to treat his PTSD. The way he described the PTSD really took the words out of my mouth, "its like your unhuman" and "MDMA makes you human again." I am sure there is a lot of people feel this way but it seems like i forgot all my feelings. I have became emotionless and unable to feel. I do not know how to sympathize or empathize with someone. I just wondering anyone out there that has had some recent therapy using this MDMA. I am also wondering can a T see you if you use the drug without his approval for therapy? Also, is this type of therapy being adopted with T more frequently now. I am wiling to try anything at this point to be cured not just medicated. The thing that really drew me in was, the fact you did not have to go to many many sessions. They said it could be up to 4 or 5 sessions.
 
I don't have any experience, but I would be too afraid to try it, even under medical supervision, which would be the only way I would approve of anyone doing it.

I get being desperate to get better, but the idea of people using it without being under medical supervision makes me nervous, so I just want to stress that point due to the mention of the you tube video concerning illegal use.
 
If you can't get medical grade MDMA, kiss it goodbye. Even so, I don't think its advisable to be doing this with an untrained therapist. I honestly think an untrained therapist is as bad or even worse than no therapist at all. Its not so simple as to take the drug and put it with therapy (with any therapist).

There's another recent thread around here and someone else was able to get medical grade MDMA but doing the therapy with an untrained therapist who merely read a manual on MDMA treatment. I was shocked that everyone was encouraging him on. Dangerous and irresponsible IMHO.
 
Medical grade MDMA is a must. Do not be fooled into thinking that Ecstasy is the same thing. Do your research. Study it. Yes, MDMA is viable treatment therapy. However it is not a joy ride. It doesn't just 'make you human again' It is hard work and a ton of processing. Do you have specific questions?
 
A therapist that my therapist works with is currently leading a MDMA clinical trial. He actually travels a long distance just to be a part of the trial in another state because he is so excited and interested in the possibilities of MDMA assisted psychotherapy.

MDMA is being studied for MDMA assisted psychotherapy, not as a stand alone medication treatment. The idea is that the MDMA allows for more effective somatic processing of trauma and thus long term relief from PTSD.

It is true that the MDMA assisted psychotherapy sessions are done only 4-5 times, but that is not because it only takes 4-5 one hour therapy sessions. Those 4-5 sessions last all day every day for a few days each time while the person is taking MDMA. It is grueling work for both the client and therapist.

This is done in 4-5 sessions that last all day for several days on end because of the well known and documented fact that repeated on-going exposure to MDMA can damage the brain in many ways that can cause a whole host of new mental health problems. The idea is to take it just a few times and then cram as much processing work in as possible while the drug lasts in the body.

Street grade MDMA aka Ecstasy, is not the same thing as medical grade MDMA. The youtuber who was taking "illegal MDMA" was likely taking Ecstasy (or managed to commit theft of one of the highly controlled clinical trial centers.)

I suggest not relying on the "data" of one person on youtube who thinks the drug they are using is an amazing cure all. The fact that he says it made him feel "human" is actually a red flag. Most people under the influence of Ecstasy and/or a drug addiction think the drug is amazing. That's why it is called Ecstasy. It's not the same as a clinical professional evaluating if the symptoms are actually improved. Its not the same as using medical grade MDMA which doesn't really make people feel great.

My therapist's partner, a big fan of MDMA, leading a clinical trial for MDMA no less, and a big fan of self administered trauma treatment, told people in a seminar on new advancements in therapy techniques, "It extremely dangerous to take street grade Ecstasy and is absolutely not the same substance as medical grade MDMA that we are using in our trials."

Ecstasy does sometimes contain MDMA, but more often contains Ketamine which tends to cause a euphoric dissociative state where someone feels like all symptoms are gone, but they are not actually gone just medically dissociated for a short time frame (days to a few years.) Ecstasy also tends to contain a lot of other stuff narcotics, caffeine, etc.

You can go to therapy while on Ecstasy or stolen medical grade MDMA. Whether your therapist will approve of doing so is another matter. You could try to go to therapy without telling your therapist, but Ecstasy really changes people, much more than the person who takes it realizes. Your therapist will likely notice the lack of fear and anxiety and etc and actually not want to process trauma because you might seem like you are ok about the trauma but off kilter in other ways.

Unless you are in a clinical trial, or commit theft, you can't legally obtain or posses medical grade MDMA in the US. It is a felony in the US to have it or consume it, and grounds for a therapist to lose their license in a hurry to knowingly encourage or participate in promotion of it. My therapist's partner can't even teach the therapeutic procedure used for MDMA assisted psychotherapy without losing his license and risking criminal prosecution. He can only speak of the possible benefits, risks, and seek people for the clinical trial. Risking jail is way to increase stress and thus increase PTSD symptoms. Ending up in jail for having or consuming MDMA could be a source of new trauma.

Your best bet is to find a clinical trial. http://www.maps.org/research/mdma

My therapists partner thinks there is great promise in MDMA, but there are already some problems coming to light about it in the study that indicate more work has to done. I think MDMA is an amazing possibility.

I have been in a clinical study once for short term use of a well known street drug that seemed like an amazing cure for a medical condition as well as PTSD. I regret taking it deeply. It did cause remission of my medical condition and PTSD go away, for a few years. Then it came back with a vengeance and it caused the development of a new medical condition that I now have to treat with on-going low dose chemotherapy or I will go permanently blind. No joke. Though the drug was widely used as a street drug before this study, and researchers thought they knew all the risks for it's use in a clinical setting and they thought it was safe - but no one knew it had the possibility to cause this horrible disease blinding eye condition. Now there are a large number of us fighting this damn new condition.

They thought it would cure or resolve PTSD just like they now think MDMA can. It actually made my dissociation much worse, to a degree that my therapist thinks I may never fully recover from because it's a chemical alteration in my brain from the drug, rather than a 100% trauma induced condition - and I'm not the only one who experienced this unexpected side effect of the drug making PTSD worse.

I regret ever being a part of the trial. I know what I do know about about the MDMA trial because finding out about my therapist's partner's involvement in it was confusing for me. Almost triggering.

The drug cure that I tried was touted as a wonder drug for PTSD in almost the exact same ways MDMA is now being touted. So my therapist set up a means to watch a clinical seminar about it and to talk to the therapist leading the trial via Skype.

MDMA is actually slightly more promising than the previous drug, but not by much. If the studies are completed and shows the clinical use of MDMA is indeed as safe as they hope it is, I would seriously consider MDMA assisted psychotherapy.

I would not risk my physical health and PTSD recovery ever again on latest new possible drug treatment for PTSD prior to the completion of studies being done so that I would at least know the risks better. I have had a pretty bad experience already... I know this won't happen for others. But it's still highly illegal in the US, and I wouldn't risk even trying to ask my therapist to put themselves in the position of losing their license over any possible cure.

I also wouldn't judge anyone for trying it. I totally get it. At one point in time, I was willing to try almost ANYTHING that was a possible solution for PTSD, at almost any risk. In the end, the choice to pursue MDMA use prior to study completion is yours. It's not an easy path, even if you do get into the clinical trial. Please make the choice very carefully and with a lot of thought and consideration. I do hope that the latest proposal for MDMA assisted psychotherapy turns out to be as good in treating PTSD as they believe it might be.

Ok, I will end my soapbox now.
 
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I've taken MDA, MDMA, & Ecstasy in many varying flavors (Ecstasy is a cocktail designer drug with anything except cocaine mixed in: mescaline, heroin, ketamine, etc.).

Taking any of the 3 without therapy is just getting high. Oblivion for a little while, and then back to normal. Assuming you don't pick up one or more addictions or do yourself an injury.
 
i think what people dont realise, is that feel good drugs like mdma , work in reverse after a while , sure its amazing the first couple of times , but eventually its not so amazing anymore and your left with the paranoia , and a host of other paranoid reactions
 
MDMA is being studied for MDMA assisted psychotherapy, not as a stand alone medication treatment...It is true that the MDMA assisted psychotherapy sessions are done only 4-5 times, but...those 4-5 sessions last all day every day for a few days each time while the person is taking MDMA.

This is done in 4-5 sessions that last all day for several days on end because of the well known and documented fact that repeated on-going exposure to MDMA can damage the brain in many ways that can cause a whole host of new mental health problems. The idea is to take it just a few times and then cram as much processing work in as possible while the drug lasts in the body.
(my bolding for emphasis)

I just needed to quote this post because it covered all the bases - @LostOne1985, if you read no more than the excerpt above, you will know some important stuff that you don't know right now.
I am also wondering can a T see you if you use the drug without his approval for therapy?
Just being really clear - no. Because the drug is used in the therapy session only in order to make it less painful to discuss and process traumatic memory.

Processing the trauma is what will get you on the way to feeling human again.

In my opinion, trying to do MDMA assisted therapy without having
  1. medical grade MDMA (certified from an incredibly reliable source, directly, not second-hand)
  2. a good and experienced trauma therapist

Is a little like trying to do acupuncture on yourself by scrounging around for used syringes, breaking off the needles, and sticking them into your body at various locations that you identify via the internet. Is there a chance you won't do yourself some damage? Sure. But the odds are not in your favor.
 
I have been in a clinical study once for short term use of a well known street drug that seemed like an amazing cure for a medical condition as well as PTSD. I regret taking it deeply.
Can you tell us what this drug was so we can avoid it and make sure everyone we know avoids it?
 
It was Ketamine or there was a related study that used dextromethorphan. They are NMDA receptor antagonists. The theory as to why they work for a short time is similar to the theories around MDMA. They are both abused as street drugs, and they also have a medical form of the drug. I was given Ketamine. I never felt the high that comes with the street drug.

Dextromethorphan is actually found in over the counter (OTC) cough medicine, and it can increase dissociation for some people even in it's OTC form.
 
I was wondering, i know there are other threads out there but if anyone has recently had this therapy?

I have done this therapy many years ago (that opportunity is long gone now unfortunately). It is a pretty amazing experience. Alot of people have questions on this matter. It is sad that it is so difficult to find nowadays. I would not try to do this work with a traditional therapist unless they are fully experienced with MDMA and willing to take the legal risks. The fact is that the medicine does all the work anyway. A sitter is primarily there to help foster the intention and sense of security, and to gently guide your focus inwards. Then afterwards you can talk about the whole event at length. I would like to state that most of the claims made describing its efficacy are true and then some. Also that most of the fears and dangers claimed are false or unfounded. It IS a strong experience and the work can be difficult, even painful, but the beauty and kindness of the "state" far out weigh the struggles.

The other big issue for anyone seeking this on their own is purity of the substance. There are test kits available and groups like Dance Safe are very helpful. Be sure it is the real thing, it must be pure MDMA and not methylone, MDA, or cut with ANYTHING impure. There are tons of phony pills going around with everything but MDMA in them. The reason for purity is that the "entheogen experience" is what allows the unfolding of inner discovery and most other chemicals don't produce that profound effect.That's why we need it legalized to at least some form of safe and regulated fashion. Please support MAPS as they really are pushing this matter forward for all of us. Good luck and YES it does work.
 
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