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Name that distorted cognition (thought/perception)

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No 11. Magical thinking is a distorted cognition as well. It is a big one for Developmental Trauma/Complex Trauma from childhood abuse.

planning to do particular things in the future, as if that means I am doing them

Is this like a visit to dissociation land? Where you imagine the things you could achieve, you are doing something positive and basically daydreaming/fantasising about your life in the future? It feels good to escape reality and think about the future through rose coloured glasses? I wanted to make sure I was understanding what you think magical thinking means, so clarification would be helpful to me. Magical thinking might mean something different to me than it does to you.

I associate it with dissociating and daydreaming, not being engaged in the present, and a way to avoid the reality of my life. It's an interesting one for the list.

I know catastrophizing is one and its my big one

Catastrophising is something I would like to work on too. I think that, for me, numbers 2, 3, 4 and 5 all feed into that pattern of thinking too.

I will think about this ^. Good thread discussion @Ms Spock
 
I do number 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 and 10.

Number 10 (Personalization) is strongest with me: I have an internal locus of control, as they call it in psychology. Everything that goes wrong is therefore my fault. I have PTSD because I let myself have that and I'm not tough enough. If I hadn't been so weak I wouldn't have been raped. If my depressed dad feels worthless it's because I am not a good enough daughter. Etc. etc.

It's interesting that I do a lot of emotional reasoning, because I tend to discount my emotions. It actually takes a while for me to even realise what I'm feeling at a certain moment. But when I'm afraid of something, it must be because something bad is going to happen to me, because I deserve it, and so on.

Interesting thread, it's giving me a lot of insight.
 
Is this like a visit to dissociation land? Where you imagine the things you could achieve, you are doing something positive and basically daydreaming/fantasising about your life in the future? It feels good to escape reality and think about the future through rose coloured glasses? I wanted to make sure I was understanding what you think magical thinking means, so clarification would be helpful to me. Magical thinking might mean something different to me than it does to you.

I associate it with dissociating and daydreaming, not being engaged in the present, and a way to avoid the reality of my life. It's an interesting one for the list.
For me magical thinking is thinking about something - and then it is like it is done - it is something my mother used to do with me all the time. Or you file something away and it didn't happen or if you impress someone or do something for someone you won't be hurt by them. I think it is pretty little child thinking in a way.

It is a lot about dissociation @rainy_daze. A tremendous amount of dissociation.

I might be able to define it more when I am able to do more rational thinking. Rational thinking didn't come up much or wasn't demonstrated in my family.
 
  1. All or nothing thinking -- You see things in black and white categories. If your performance falls short of perfect, you see yourself as a total failure.
  2. Over-generalization -- You see a single negative event as a never-ending pattern of defeat.
  3. Mental filter -- You pick out a single negative detail and dwell on it so exclusively that your vision of all reality becomes darkened, like the drop of ink that colors the entire beaker of water.
  4. Disqualifying the positive -- You reject positive experiences by insisting they "don't count" for some reason or other. In this way you can maintain a negative belief that is contradicted by your everyday experiences.
  5. Jumping to conclusions -- You make a negative interpretation even though there are no definite facts that convincingly support your conclusion. (Involves mind-reading and fortune-telling.)
  6. Magnification and minimization -- You exaggerate the importance of things, or you inappropriately shrink things until they appear tiny.
  7. Emotional reasoning -- You assume that your emotions necessarily reflect the way things really are, as in "I feel it, therefore it must be true."
  8. Should statements -- You try to motivate yourself with "should" and "should not," as if you have to be whipped and punished before you could be expected to do anything.
  9. Labeling and mislabeling -- This is an extreme form of overgeneralization. Instead of describing your error, you attach a negative label to yourself.
  10. Personalization -- You see yourself as the cause of some negative external event which, in fact, you were not primarily responsible for.
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No 11. Magical thinking is a distorted cognition as well. It is a big one for Developmental Trauma/Complex Trauma from childhood abuse. Well it is for me anyway.

Yes these are all here - since reading the David Burns book it has improved quite a lot. I can see the problems with my thinking so much more. It will take time to get on top of these.

I also read about helplessness and hopelessness in the David Burns book and that was helpful as well. I must reread it again.
 
the angry thoughts of the x pop in and I go to 'all or nothing thinking' basically thinking the entire realtionship meant nothing. Then I breathe, refocus and in compassion realize that it meant something to me.
That is impressive reframing.

I associate it with dissociating and daydreaming, not being engaged in the present, and a way to avoid the reality of my life. It's an interesting one for the list.
I think it is that, now that I think on it more - I just can't manage to describe it so well, just yet.

Yeah, not healthy I know.
Hey we are on a PTSD board so I know I have plenty of unhealthy behaviours myself. So please know that you are NOT alone. Your honesty is really important and most appreciated.

Oh..the hours of conversations I have had with everyone in my mind!!!
I am so glad I am not the only one. I breathed a sigh of relief today when I read Ayesha's diary, and she mentioned that as well!

Number 10 (Personalization) is strongest with me: Everything that goes wrong is therefore my fault. If my depressed dad feels worthless it's because I am not a good enough daughter. Etc. etc.
I so relate.

It's interesting that I do a lot of emotional reasoning, because I tend to discount my emotions. It actually takes a while for me to even realise what I'm feeling at a certain moment.
That is a clever insight to my way of thinking and understanding. Thanks for sharing it. I do this too - am dissociated from my feelings but doing all that emotional reasoning.
 
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My primary cognitive distortions are:

All or nothing thinking -- You see things in black and white categories. If your performance falls short of perfect, you see yourself as a total failure.

Yes I am here.


Over-generalization -- You see a single negative event as a never-ending pattern of defeat.

I do this one all the time and it is the reason why I don't begin things or stick at them because I choose to think and feel defeated. It is that hopelessness and helplessness thing!


Mental filter -- You pick out a single negative detail and dwell on it so exclusively that your vision of all reality becomes darkened, like the drop of ink that colors the entire beaker of water.

I can do this.


Disqualifying the positive -- You reject positive experiences by insisting they "don't count" for some reason or other. In this way you can maintain a negative belief that is contradicted by your everyday experiences.

I do this a lot I never let my self enjoy my success because I immediately move on to something else that I must do!


Jumping to conclusions -- You make a negative interpretation even though there are no definite facts that convincingly support your conclusion. (Involves mind-reading and fortune-telling.)

I have wasted years of my life doing this - fortune telling that people think this or that about me or thinking people will think poorly of me because of this and that. I am so practiced at mind reading - which comes from anticipating my abusive parents behaviours.



Magnification and minimization -- You exaggerate the importance of things, or you inappropriately shrink things until they appear tiny.

Yes I do this as well.


Emotional reasoning -- You assume that your emotions necessarily reflect the way things really are, as in "I feel it, therefore it must be true."

I have once again slipped in to apathy and done nothing for long periods time due to believing that my feelings are facts, they aren't. I eat because I am scared to feel my feelings. Now logically I know I won't die if I feel my feelings but I don't feel that at all.


Should statements
-- You try to motivate yourself with "should" and "should not," as if you have to be whipped and punished before you could be expected to do anything.

Yes I do this as well.


Labeling and mislabeling -- This is an extreme form of overgeneralization. Instead of describing your error, you attach a negative label to yourself.

I do this most days as well.

Personalization -- You see yourself as the cause of some negative external event which, in fact, you were not primarily responsible for.

Yes I am well practiced with this one - I blame myself for all my traumas. It was all my fault.


Magical thinking is a distorted cognition as well. @rainy_daze is assisting in a good definition of this one. It is based on dissociation and checking out. Thinking it makes it so or think that it didn't happen makes it not having happened. It is the Black is White and White is Black mind warp of a dysfunctional family. Any suggestions on how to refine this one would be greatly appreciated.

Engaging in this as a child saved my life. Engaging in this as an adult means I have not had a life.
 
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All or nothing thinking -- You see things in black and white categories. If your performance falls short of perfect, you see yourself as a total failure.
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Well I am consistent with this one. It really keeps me stuck.


Personalization -- You see yourself as the cause of some negative external event which, in fact, you were not primarily responsible for.
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For my traumas I have so much of this - and for goodness sake I was a child! But I really feel responsible for how badly things went in my family. I engage in so much rumination - it doesn't feel like a choice but it obviously is.
 
@rainy_daze what do you think of this as a magical thinking definition?

In children

Magical thinking is most dominantly present in children between age 2 to 7 years old. During this age, children strongly believe that their personal thought has a direct effect on the rest of the world. Therefore if they experience something tragic that they do not understand, e.g., a death, their mind would create a reason to feel responsible. Jean Piaget, a developmental psychologist, came up with a theory of four developmental stages. Children between ages 2 to 7 would be classified under his Preoperational Stage of development. During this stage children are perceived to not be able to use logical thinking. A child's thinking is dominated by perceptions of physical features, meaning that if they are told that a family pet has gone away, then the child will have difficulty comprehending the transformation of the dog not being around anymore. Magical thinking would be evident here, since the child may believe that the family pet being gone is just temporary. Their young minds in this stage do not understand the finality of death and magical thinking bridges the gap.

Grieving children
Children who evidence magical thinking often feel that they are responsible for an event or events occurring, or are capable of reversing an event simply by thinking about it and wishing for a change.[28] Make-believe and fantasy are an integral part of life at this age and are often used to explain the unexplainable.[29][30]

According to Piaget, children within this age group are often "egocentric", believing that what they feel and experience is the same as everyone else's feelings and experiences.[31] At this age, as well, there is often a lack of understanding that there may be other explanations for events aside from what they have comprehended. What happens outside their understanding needs to be explained using what they already know, because of an inability to fully comprehend abstract concepts.[31]

Magical thinking is found particularly in children's explanations of experiences about death, whether the death of a family member or pet, or their own illness or impending death. These experiences are often new for a young child, who then has no experience to give understanding of the ramifications of the event.[32] A child may feel that they are responsible for what has happened, simply because they were upset with the person who died, or perhaps played with the pet too roughly. There may also be the idea that if the child wishes it hard enough, or performs just the "right" act, the person or pet may choose to come back, and not be dead any longer.[33] When considering their own illness or impending death, some children may feel that they are being punished for doing something wrong, or not doing something they should have, and therefore have become ill.[34] If a child's ideas about an event are incorrect because of their magical thinking, there is a possibility that the conclusions the child makes could result in long-term beliefs and behaviours that create difficulty for the child as they mature.[35]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_thinking

Okay well my thinking is firmly stuck between 2 to 7 years old. It could explain my failure at being part of the world or my inability to act like an adult and take responsibility for my life. Kind of sad, but also good to know.
 
So how do you get out of Emotional Reasoning? "This kind of reasoning is misleading because your feelings reflect your thoughts and beliefs. If they're distorted, as is quite often the case, your emotions will have no validity."

"it's all my fault"
that's just a feeling, and you are feeling it because your thoughts and beliefs are wrong
"It's all my fault that my thoughts and beliefs are wrong"
 
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