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I Can't Find Meaning

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@joeylittle
I just read your list that you wrote to chava
I would like to be family, I really need a sister and I have already got a couple from this site to replace my real sister that I don't have anymore, and I sure could use another if you would like to have a sister count me in.

I'm sure we can work on the mirror looking if we think outside the square.

The trapeze and horse, I will think a bit harder about, but I make wire horses or metal horses maybe one of those I could send you in the meantime.

Please take care
And please let me know if there is anything I can do to help
Sammy
 
First, a bit of a warning. One of my main survival skills is problem solving. It's not always something that's part of my actual job description, but I tend to do it anyway. That's not where I'm intending to go right now, so forgive me if I can't avoid it.

Having read what you most recently wrote. all I can think is "wow"! You might want to try to read that, as if someone else wrote it. I'd say someone who was dealing with all that would be crazy if they DIDN'T feel depressed. Which doesn't mean you have to be stuck there. (For what it's worth, in my head you've always been slim, trim, and athletic and still are.)

I like your list! I don't know about the trapeze......the rest seems doable. (My T keeps going on about "a social life". I keep telling him that's not just up to me, maybe no one wants me around. He seems unimpressed. So, the family part? Might depend on how you define "family".) I'm sure you can ride a horse again. Far as that goes, are there any therapeutic riding programs where you live? They can deal with a wide variety of problems. I can't see why depression can't be one of them. (I used to work for a guy who was one of the best horsemen I've ever met. He was also WAY over weight. Used a metal milk crate to get on. Said "I'm not going to make some poor old horse stand there while I drag this fat old body up his side. Once he got on, he was amazing.)

The connection between lack of exercise and depression really resonates! But I can see how weight would make it hard and that makes a viscous cycle. What has your T had to say about all this? (BTW, the idea of ECT would scare me to death!)

You have such great questions,
Having you say that means a lot! You have no idea how much trouble I've gotten myself into over the years asking questions. LOL There is a subset of the population that hates the questions I come up with, and me as a result. And, to a point, I can't help it! :confused:
 
@joeylittle I remember some times in chat when you were there for someone, someone in deep distress. You helped those people through those dark places, you cared, you shared some part of yourself that made a difference! Please don't give up. Think of all of us here. We need your viewpoint, how you have survived, how you persevere. You are valuable. You are dear to us. Please take care of yourself. If need be, submit yourself for in patient treatment. Sometimes we need intensive care. Sometimes we need to have medications just to get us through such a deep valley, just until we can stand on our own two feet again. Hang in there, please.
 
I want a family.
I want to ride a horse again.
I want to be on a trapeze again.
I want to be able to look in a mirror.

I'm just afraid to want these things, because they aren't going to happen. I can't seem to make them happen.

That hurts! Are you able to grieve any of it, have any part(s) of any of it, or find new things to want? Or joyful substitutions?

Again, I don't want to sound trite, but the only reason I didn't kill myself years ago (or kept calling 911 after overdoses) was because there was a part of me strongly drawn to my connection to music. I can no longer play violin professionally in an orchestra. My shoulders and spine cannot do the rehearsal schedules required (no amount of PT will help...sadly I've wrecked my joints and aged them all prematurely). Playing violin by myself for a bit on my own in my living room will never be the same. I can still play some, I can still love music and be involved in other ways, but there is NO substitution for playing in the orchestra. My social world, my spiritual world, all of it crashed. This has been something I've been afraid to even grieve because it hurts too much...so I've just tried to blot it out and somehow find a new meaning or way to survive until I feel more happy about being here.

It's a f*cking mess really. I'm trying to take that emptiness and learn about music and participate in new ways, letting any small part keep my spark. I have a bit of curiosity and hope, which is helping me. I have honestly learned some pretty cool new things about music and myself (still not replacing the emptiness completely). I want to refuse the notion that I only existed to play in an orchestra. Some days it feels very empty though and I relate to the grief, disconnection, and search for meaning.
 
Again, I don't want to sound trite, but the only reason I didn't kill myself years ago (or kept calling 911 after overdoses) was because there was a part of me strongly drawn to my connection to music.
You don't sound trite, not at all. I'm not sure if what I need to do is somehow force myself to do the steps that go with having a thing to believe in...for whatever reason, and I guess it's depression, I can't find a latent connection within myself to anything. It's why it was such a big deal for me when I found horses, and then circus. I hadn't had things like that before. I distinctly remember thinking, "oh, this is what it is to want to do something". Horses, that was over 10 years ago. Trapeze, more recently.

I do like having a job, here. It helps, to be useful. I'm thinking of getting another cat, although it feels kind of unfair to have three in my living space (have 2 right now).

I know there's a kind of 'do it til it takes root' approach to habit-forming, and to introducing change into one's life, and I really hate that all I find myself saying lately is 'I can't'. It's probably more apt to say, I don't know how to tackle something that I can actually maintain. I don't understand why I can't maintain anything, except that I'm depressed and might be asking too much of myself. But even when depressed, there are a number of things it can be possible to do.

Maybe it's not working for me because I am also very overworked right now. Sometimes I think, if I could just stop all the external responsibilities, and focus only on myself, I could build back up to functional again. That worked before, anyway. But these aren't things that I can actually stop. Not without massive repercussions. And although I should value my life more than the repercussions, I don't think I do.

I have thought about inpatient, and continue to think about it.
Sometimes we need to have medications just to get us through such a deep valley, just until we can stand on our own two feet again.
I am usually not afraid of this, except I know what they will give me, and I'm afraid of it. It's funny - I'm very, very pro-medication, and I haven't tried everything there is to try. But I've tried a lot, and I know how it goes. My therapist was making the point that 6 months of relief (the average length of time that anything works for me) might help me get farther than 6 months of suffering. Rationally, he's right. But 6 months of relief and more unwanted physical change - that's the part I can't bear to contemplate.

I'm limiting my options, I know. I don't know if I'm being reasonable about those limits or not.
 
I can't find a latent connection within myself to anything

That is depression. But also just void, which f*cking sucks. Can I ask why you can't do trapeze or horses? I really relate to having that thing that clicks...so the world actually makes sense and it feels like you belong somewhere. I assume there was a real body/kinesthetic connection to trapeze/circus. Are you injured? Can you try new adventures somewhere along the same line? Rock-climbing, aerial yoga? I don't know (but I relate somewhat to the need for feeling like your body is positively connected to something...I felt like my whole self was involved in playing my instrument...I am having a hard time making up for all the ways it connected me...the physical feeling, the sounds, the structure of the music and the orchestra and people working together, the sound vibrations, feeling like I was whole and yet transcending all the regular shit of life...).

You don't have to push yourself to feel anything good. I think it's okay to just survive sometimes and helpful to admit I'm super lost. Eat breakfast, go to work, walk my dog, repeat. But I'm trying to latch onto new things and not let myself believe it's artificial or just filler or distraction. There is a new way back to me but I just haven't fully found it. I'm just finding pieces. But not that "AHA!!!" of playing in the orchestra.

I don't know why the hell my life had to end up like this...find one thing to love and then lose it. I still don't even let myself feel that really, but on a surface level it helps me connect to the shitty truth that our lives are full of loss and the challenging part is keeping love anyway and finding ways to stay alive or be sort of continually reborn as old or worn out parts die away.
 
@joeylittle I have a Christmas card from and it is in my memory box and every once in a while I reread it and am so comforted.

You are so amazing to so many, including myself and have deeply touched my own life. I love reading what you write here to so many and you know that you are so loved so much here.

I get the needing relief and escape from the pain. Me too.

I so wish that you could see yourself as you are through my eyes. You would be blown away but how amazing and wonderful person you are. You have made such a difference in my life and I so admire you and wish Iwas more like you.

I think that not trying to tackle everything at once is the way to go and to remain present as best as you can.

I hope for you a pajama day in your future really soon where you give yourself the treatment and spoil yourself so much and pamper yourself. Cuddle under a soft blanket and watch comedies to help you. It is so hard to do these kinds of things when you feel the way you do. Everyone here loves you so much, including myself. You really deserve so much good in your life and I am so sad that the depression is so bad for you right now.

Holidays seem to be the worst time of the year for me and so many others here. I was alone on thanksgiving and I treated myself with a deli platter and snacked and watched good movies and felt so much better the next day.

I also believe in you so much. Sending healing hugs.
 
I really do not know what other I can add to all of the brill advice from all the others. However it is depression, the feeling of total despair will pass. What is life? You breath see smell feel you are alive, this is life. Totally concentrate upon yourself don't go to work for a while if it is stressing you out. Try and notice something such as beautiful light reflecting, if you like horses watch a horse run and snort, watch their muscles move appreciate horses. Take care of your self depression means you are un well if you had a broken leg you would not work and would rest and take care. Accept this. We all appreciate you here as all of your students do.
Please take care I have been where you are now it is so hard it feels like there is no way out but try and hang in there it will all pass as you and I know.
 
What an inspiring thread. I know that must sound strange as it is a thread, similar in many ways, to mine about just not being able to do this life-thing anymore. But, what I found inspiring is all of the love and support being directed at you and your ability to respond as well in very thoughtful and honest ways to what was offered. I am on board with the others in asking that you keep pushing out those 24-hr wait times to see if the world tilts a little more in your favor, that you find some relief and that the fog of depression lifts. You are one of the butterflies that I look to on this board who are so very helpful to all of us dealing with this horrible condition. Please take good care. VB
 
For what it's worth, in my head you've always been slim, trim, and athletic and still are.)
This made me smile, thank you :)
I'm sure you can ride a horse again. Far as that goes, are there any therapeutic riding programs where you live? They can deal with a wide variety of problems.
Well, at my current weight, there is no barn in my area where I can lesson. It bothers me, because I know how to sit, and I'm not a sack of potatoes as a rider. But I also understand - they don't know that, and I'm huge, and it's not my horse, its theirs. I think a therapeutic program might frustrate me more than help - I don't know. I should think about that more, because it could be something that helps me motivate forward. I love being around them so much. When I had mine, I would just go hang out with him in his stall at night, it always made me feel a little better.

I can see how weight would make it hard and that makes a viscous cycle. What has your T had to say about all this?
He suggests doing a skype session where I can exercise and let myself get upset and then we can work through what's happening to me (I do EFT, and I don't think it works how he thinks it works, but it doesn't matter, because it works). I don't want to do that because...I think because it seems too vulnerable, or exposed, or something.

I hate that I just sound like I won't do things. I'm really not that person.

There is a subset of the population that hates the questions I come up with, and me as a result.
Nope. You ask wonderful questions, period.

Can I ask why you can't do trapeze or horses? I really relate to having that thing that clicks...so the world actually makes sense and it feels like you belong somewhere. I assume there was a real body/kinesthetic connection to trapeze/circus. Are you injured? Can you try new adventures somewhere along the same line? Rock-climbing, aerial yoga? I don't know (but I relate somewhat to the need for feeling like your body is positively connected to something...I felt like my whole self was involved in playing my instrument
I can't do either because of my weight. With horses, there is usually a weight clause and I exceed it. Trapeze, I can't do more because I've lost the ability to hold myself on a bar. The knee injury I had that laid me up would also need to be properly rehabbed before I could hook my knees over. And yes - the connection was a very real thing. It's actually the same as riding was. Both those sports require you to just be fully present. There's so much input happening so quickly, physically, and there's a great deal of fine and gross motor coordination, and there's physical risk as well - which made it impossible for me to think about anything else at all - I could just be present. No judgement, no analysis - just existing as a physical being experiencing joy. Also, they are skills, and they are progressive - you get better at them, but there's really no end to what there is to learn.

I think martial arts might be the same, in that they are skills, progressive, and physical - but I realize as I'm typing this that what horses and trapeze have in common is that your feet are not on the ground. you are relating to gravity in a whole different way. Aerial yoga, I just think I'm too fat for their weight limits too.

I really identify with your analogy to music. I trained as a pianist, and when I had to stop, it was a physical loss. But I've never recovered from it. I also played horn, and the idea of joining a community orchestra is kind of nice-sounding, except I'm not sure I can play anymore because of the way my jaw has degraded. My hands, my jaw, it's all trauma injury, which doesn't help. I still have my horn though. I could try and take out my mouthpiece and see if I can do anything.

the challenging part is keeping love anyway and finding ways to stay alive or be sort of continually reborn as old or worn out parts die away.
This is beautiful. I've been so inspired with how you've grown in the time I've known you on the board. I know you are still struggling, very much, but for what it's worth, you are also going through your transformation, just as you describe it. It's a fact, that everything we love will be lost. Everything dies. And I have always believed that life is somehow about experiencing that love and that loss. But when there is lots of loss and to little love, it's harder, I guess.

I hope for you a pajama day in your future really soon where you give yourself the treatment and spoil yourself so much and pamper yourself. Cuddle under a soft blanket and watch comedies to help you.
I hope for that too. Tomorrow, almost, is that day.

You are all very, very kind.
 
Both those sports require you to just be fully present. There's so much input happening so quickly, physically, and there's a great deal of fine and gross motor coordination, and there's physical risk as well - which made it impossible for me to think about anything else at all - I could just be present. No judgement, no analysis - just existing as a physical being experiencing joy. Also, they are skills, and they are progressive - you get better at them, but there's really no end to what there is to learn.
This is exactly what I love most about my job. You've said it better than I could.

The whole deal with horses and people with weight problems seems to be a "thing" recently. And it IS recent. And I think a lot of it is over done. One of the most amazing horsemen I've ever known, was a guy I worked for for awhile who I SURE would have met most people's weight standards now. He needed to use a mounting block. Said "I'm not going to make some poor old horse stand there while I drag this fat old body up his side." Once he got on? It was dancing. The guy could be mean (to people) and he was hard to work for, but he sat a horse as well as anyone I've ever known. And the horses didn't seem to mind a bit.

You know, I was thinking, maybe you could VOLUNTEER at a handicapped riding program? It would get you out, and around horses, and maybe it would open their minds to possibilities as well. I think there's a need here. I'm putting this on my "List of thing I could do to earn a living when I'm too old & crippled to shoe horses" :)
hate that I just sound like I won't do things. I'm really not that person.
I totally get that you're not "that person". I think that's kind of a function of where you're at and how it is that you ARE where you're at.
Nope. You ask wonderful questions, period.
Thank you! :) Next time someone gets mad at me, I'm going to say "joeylittle says I as WONDERFUL questions!" :smug:

Keep on keepin' on @joeylittle
 
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