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Lets Create A Ptsd Diagnosis - Off-topic Discussion

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Posted in this weird-ass thread after my posts were moved out of original thread:

Okay, it just got weird in here. I was on topic (offering my opinions and the way I see it perhaps coming together at some point). And even if side shoots of info (I shoot from all angles), I didn't realize this was a thing on this forum....disregarding and moving all semi "off-topic" posts into a separate thread. Can you keep that up for everyone and their threads? When I judge that a thread I created is getting off topic (which is a bit subjective) can I message a mod to help remove content and posts for me and put it somewhere else? How does that sound? This rule, if applied to everyone, would keep the mods really busy. But I assume it's not applied to everyone and nobody else gets to ditch posts they don't want into other threads. Thanks for the self-serving logic.

I'm done here.
 
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I see it perhaps coming together at some point). And even if side shoots of info (I shoot from all angles), I didn't realize this was a thing on this forum....disregarding and moving all semi "off-topic" posts into a separate thread
Threads have been split before, and posts moved. It's not incredibly common, but it's not unheard of. My goal in splitting off the multiple conversations in this particular topic was to allow each one its breathing space - not to disregard, but to allow for more range. I apologize it has read to you as disregarding - the intent was not that.

Evidence substantiates that approximately 40% - 60% of people diagnosed with PTSD fully recover and no longer meet diagnostic criterion within 6 months, with no intervention
Wouldnt it be 6 months, then? Thats a long time to wait.
 
Wouldnt it be 6 months, then? Thats a long time to wait.

I was thinking the same thing.

RE: long time to wait, I watched many documentries on vets coming back from the middle east and they wait years to get help (absolutly horrible being they put their lives on the line for us, the least we can do is help them) but anyway it could be seen as a long time and in some cases it is.

I waited (due to me) for 10 yrs...
 
I didn't realize this was a thing on this forum
No way to say this, other than with arrogance, but I can do what I want with my own threads. The forum has a policy on thread starters maintaining their threads on topic themselves... guess who started the thread? Me. You refused to follow my requests to keep on topic, due to the nature of discussion, keep everything else UNTIL it served purpose.

Yes, as I stated in that thread, I then thread banned you. This is what staff also do to members who fail to follow such requests from thread starters, repeatedly, as you did. So yes, it has always been available to members and staff aid members as much as possible.

I own the damn site, in essence, so I can do what I want with my threads. If you can't comprehend that, or you don't like it, don't participate here. That simple.

I made an off-topic thread to help my threads purpose remain on topic, yet have the flexibility for such thoughts that come to mind now, but would off-topic the main thread at a given time, and you are now here taking this one off-topic.

You aren't appealing to any empathy or compassion from me, you're just being a nuisance, annoying and intentionally self serving with your own bullshit, directing it here as though you're the only person who exists. Thread banned from this one too... just because you're really pissing me off now with your rudeness.
 
Anthony, in aspect to this, do you know of any sort of brain mapping type testing comparing PTSD and non-PTSD to see how PTSD effects the brain?
Sorry I missed this. There have been oodles of brain mapping comparison studies over the decades, all of which to date have equally been disproven by opposites occurring within PTSD sufferers.

PTSD has many theories, but nobody to date can factually ascertain what PTSD exactly is, where it begins, what specifically in our brain or body causes it. Neuroscience does not have this knowledge. There are lots of claims from random studies, professors, psychiatrists, psychologists, small scale studies and such, none of which proves anything. Typically the same studies have counters to the findings, which disproves any finding from the get go. Either those who have disproved something don't have PTSD, or the study is really just a complete failure and found nothing concrete.

Don't get me wrong, all knowledge is wonderful. More the merry. Something learnt today may lead towards a better idea to study tomorrow, which does find a solution, or helps a further study / idea find the solution. You just can't take any of the results as factual though and apply them to every PTSD sufferer.

For example, Dead Link Removed, but certainly not conclusive as a standalone study, nor have I read the study itself versus this second hand news piece:

A new study by researchers from the Department of Psychology at Uppsala University and Clinical Neuroscience at Karolinska Institutet shows that people with PTSD have an imbalance between two neurochemical signalling systems of the brain, serotonin and substance P. Professors Mats Fredrikson and Tomas Furmark led the study using a so-called PET scanner to measure the relationship between these systems.

The study, which has been published in the scientific journal Molecular Psychiatry, shows that it is the imbalance between the two signalling systems which determines the severity of the symptoms suffered by the individual rather than the degree of change in a single system. Others have previously speculated that the biological basis of psychiatric disorders such as PTSD includes a shift in the balance between different signalling systems in the brain but none has yet proved it. The results of the study are a great leap forward in our understanding of PTSD. It will contribute new knowledge which can be used to design improved treatments for traumatised individuals.


I think the article, or authors of the study, probably also used the wrong wording with "imbalance" as no "balance" has yet been proven with any neurochemical system to determine an imbalance. They should have used "difference" or such wording to denote the point, being a measurable aspect is available to show symptom severity. It doesn't diagnose PTSD, but if diagnosed, apparently shows symptom severity. That is a huge find if further studied to be accurate, as an example.

Another study claims to be able to diagnose PTSD as 95% accurate;

"Your brain is a dynamic network," said Georgopoulos, describing how healthy brains form neural networks, and then wipe the slate clean and start all over.

"So when you have, let's say, a visual stimulus come in to your eyes, then the visual network that receives that information becomes temporarily locked. That individual system lasts for a few seconds. And then very quickly, [the network] becomes again ready to absorb new information."

That's how nine of out of 10 people process their experiences, be they mundane or horrific. One out of 10, however, don't wipe the slate clean. Dreadful sights and sounds resonate in their heads.

Georgopoulos' lab can spot PTSD sufferers by magnetically scanning their brains, a procedure called magnetoencephalography.


Magnetoencephalography (MEG) is not new, and was more a matter of time until someone discovered some way to use it to find something useful instead of trying to compare brain images, which have only turned up indifferences.
 
I do ask you consider my suggestion of more group therapies for those with similar experiences if and when you get as far as presenting treatment options.
The article does not contain treatment options. That is a diversity within itself. The article is about the PTSD diagnosis future.
 
Wouldnt it be 6 months, then? Thats a long time to wait.
Maybe why the criterion should be 3 months. It is one month already, which has never sat with me as accurate. I don't think that is out of the ordinary, to be honest, as many people wait a month just to get into a therapist, let alone diagnosis can take months alone. Having the symptoms at a constant for 3 months, I would think, means the person is atleast quite serious.

Yet saying that, even if diagnosis was to include a 6 month symptom duration... that doesn't stop therapy for the problem, it just prolongs whether it is real PTSD or just a normal reaction to an abnormal circumstance.

Based on my own experiences and watching a lot of soldiers with reintegration after deployments, it took one to six months to stabilise and get back to feeling normal and good again, without ongoing issues. Those with ongoing issues were usually quite severe and had already sought treatment.
 
Magnetoencephalography (MEG) is not new, and was more a matter of time until someone discovered some way to use it to find something useful instead of trying to compare brain images, which have only turned up indifferences.

Thank you for all that!

MEG sound promising. Id think a compare of PTSD to non would be the way to go but I guess not.

Thats awesome info!
 
Based on my own experiences and watching a lot of soldiers with reintegration after deployments, it took one to six months to stabilise and get back to feeling normal and good again, without ongoing issues. Those with ongoing issues were usually quite severe and had already sought treatment.


ASD & Adjustment Disorder already exist... Good/ Neutral/ Bad Idea to reference them in the PTSD Diagnostic Criteria? Get patients and (lesser qualified) pros used to looking at the shorter lived cousins, first, instead of... Boom. Symptoms? PTSD. Period.

If symptoms have persisted or trauma has occurred in under XYZ period of time, ref to ASD & AD. Or some such.
 
Re "duress" - can't speak to the situation in the US, but in the UK and Australia, there's too much common law specifying what is and isn't 'duress'. I think that specific word invites too many issues.

I have a sneaking suspicion it's just the inverse here stateside. We have stacks and stacks about what is voluntary vs involuntary ... And just about everything under the sun gets used to argue involuntary. Drunkeness = involuntary manslaughter, for example.

"Involuntary manslaughter usually refers to an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence, or from an unlawful act that is a misdemeanor or low-level felony (such as DUI)."

My ex, meanwhile, was found guilty of child abuse & child neglect & assault with intent to kill... But his attorneys argued it was "involuntary" due to a childhood of abuse, various mental issues, Mars was in retrograde (okay, maybe not that one)... And since he was "voluntarily" seeking treatment... :banghead:

Voluntary vs Involuntary are hot button things around here, at least locally in the DV & Sexual Assault communities, because it's still a crime if it's "involuntary" but a greatly reduced one. If you're gonna rape someone? Go get drunk, or attend a Sex Addicts anonymous meeting...and even if found guilty? Time served (awaiting trial, even if out on bail the whole time) & Probation is the norm, but more usually? The case never goes to trial, since the would-be defendant is already voluntarily seeking treatment. Especially with DV, because you have to pay for your own attorney in family court, and getting anything short of murder/manslaughter into criminal court is practically impossible.

So I may well be overreacting to the word, rather than giving it fair representation.
 
Drunkeness = involuntary manslaughter, for example.

Thats totally different. Thats "i killed someone cuz i got mad and was drink so didnt have my senses"

How do you claim that you got drunk and involentarly looked at pictures and videos of real people being slaughtered and now have PTSD?

Even under this new compiled of it, that wouldnt fit in my opinion.
 
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