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Abuse From My Son

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@ladee Kidless but with sisters.... I love this idea.... Breaking things down, tearing them apart can and sometimes does lead to a break through. I'm glad you found yours.... Let hope the other moms do too....
 
A few months ago I discovered some on line groups for estranged parents. I found it really helpful and joined. It was connected through Facebook but did not show up as a group or posts on what others can see.I don't know what happened but it dissolved and a new one started but you had to follow lengthy things to join, including a photo ID due to security issues. I have not done that. I was amazed at the amount of suffering parents. I like the kidless sisters too!
 
I want to a downtown block party to listen to the last band night of the season. I have not seen or heard...

Im sorry you had that stupid encounter with your daugter brat17 .
What you described in just my opinion, when you see that theres no way to have even a reasonable exchange thats meaningful anyway. When a woman that age with an education behaves like a snotty high school girl in front of a crowd to hurt her mother on purpose there is just no hope whatsoever.
Let your conscience be clear! If she doesnt apologize first someday, then approach with caution!
Also Im glad your friends saw it, if they had any doubts about your side of it they wont now.
 
Well then, we are officially The Kidless Sisters Club. Just like PTSD, another club we never wanted to join.
My body is so sore today from letting go of all the toxic noise in my body.

Realized this morning some things I DIDN'T do. I didn't disassociate, I did not have unbridled anxiety or panic. I did no self harm. Well I did smoke more but not counting that! I wadnt a broken down sobbing pile of mama flesh.
Things I did do... I listened to each of you. I felt your pain. I cried for all of us. I broke it down. I got very honest with myself. I held on to each of you. I allowed myself to be vulnerable with women I trust. I allowed myself to shut a door.
Just can't find the right words to express my gratitude to all of you who exposed your own pain to help me. Thank you all from my healing heart.
Feeling more relief as each day arrives.
This whole experience has helped me with something else. Each of you took time and shared your own pain and I felt Worthy. That has been my surprise gift. I haven't felt worthLESS thru all of our sharing.
I knew y'all understand. So here is to the KSC!!!
If the brats only knew how happy and free we are stsrtng to be...how angry they would be.
I've always heard the best revenge is getting healthy.
TA DA !! KSC , keep on keepin' on! Gratitude from my heart.
@shimmerz, I really hope you are following this. We want to pass the torch of Hope to you. Love ya Shimmy!!!
 
YES! YES! YES! The best revenge IS getting healthy..... @ladee soooooooo. Glad that you are feeling good, strong and hopefully empowered..... This doesn't mean that we hate our children. It doesn't mean that we wish them bad things. It means we have freed ourselves from their toxic behavior.....
 
Yes, thank you !! Am feeling much much better... one of the great things about being in recovery for so long.. given the right information and a little hope... the process goes much faster.
Am feeling my energy level coming back up... amazing tho how sore my body is.... what complicated creatures we are....
Thank you from my heart for your role in helping me get here... I am sorry you understand.. and I know you know what I mean by that....
Holding my head up and meeting the day.... and I am not alone... thank you again.
 
No apologies @shimmerz. It will be here later. Sorry. Did not mean to put you on the spot. Not having my laptop is keeping from knowing what is going on with others. Very sorry Shimmey. I would never hurt you on purpose. Gentle hugs.
 
You did great ladee!
I can only speak for myself, but sharing has been so much benefit to me. Though my intent was to let you know you are not alone and how much I relate, it is something that none of my friends are experiencing and makes me feel like something is really wrong with me, that I am such a defect, and that the original belief that I am not lovable (which I was taught very young) is the truth and I am just hopeless. To be honest, even though there is a group of us here and I love the new club here, I still feel different.

Others have talked about one grown child. I had my first child with my high school sweetheart who I married at 17. Our daughter J is now 40 yrs old. I knew nothing about bi polar at the time, but his father was, and he was, and my daughter is. She also witnesses so damn much physical abuse and other abuse as well. We divorced when she was 6 but she has suffered addiction and legal troubles. She has been very abusive and we struggle at times, but we love each other very much. Who knows, we may go no contact next week for all I know. When she was drugging and in legal stuff, I refused to watch, and I was also protecting my younger daughters, so they were pretty isolated from her behaviors.Sometimes I feel like I am being punished by God for turning my back on her. At the time I saw it as the right thing to do, and I still do now if I listen to my reasonable self and not my emotions. It was heartbreaking at times.

I remarried and had 2 more daughters. I married a man with NO emotions. Of course he had them but they were stuffed and he is passive aggressive. After awhile, I realized he was like a flat-line personality. With that comes no affection as well. A lot of rejection from him, and eventually I discovered it was better just getting beat. We separated when the girls were 13 and 15. They lived a protected and pampered life in many ways. The youngest, I will call S, has learning disability, the older , I will call K, is the abusive one I discuss here. I have no contact with K because of what I have told you all. The youngest was very quiet and replaced her dad with a very strange mormon boy. While K was always creating drama, S was almost invisible, until it became apparent that she was under some mind control. She graduated high school and married him and cut family ties and moved 3000 miles away. She cut contact with her older sisters and myself, and eventually with her father, and replaced us with the mormon community and husband and his family only.

I just believe that my last 2 daughters saw me very happy, (not ptsd then), living, traveling, some dating, good career, well respected, a good social life, etc. and their father passively calling the shots (not visiting them much, refusing to allow me to sell house which kept everyone in economic hardship) then when he saw them, he was sad, sulked, wore a sport coat with the lining shredded, patching his car up, etc (all the while, socking a bunch of money into annuities unknown to me) I hate to admit, but many times we would not have had food if it not for someone that I dated, though they don't really know that. K, who was so difficult, would call her dad and sick him on me if I made her unload the dishwasher or made her vacuum. He showed her that I had no power in the family year after year. He didn't pay a cent of child support, but paid utilities and would cut them off (accidentally of course) if he didn't like my behavior. He continues
to want to get back together and I resent him. I believe that his behavior was very effective in our current situation. I can forgive, but I will never forget.

I was married twice and never had a wedding. My mother was not there for any of my baby's births or any other events in my life. My first daughter never
married. She trust me fully with her children, I had custody of one daughter for a couple years. The 3rd ran off and married the mormon and did not invite any of her family. Her baby shower did not include inviting us. I have only seen my 6 yr old grandaguther 2 times for about an hour. Now the mean one got engaged at Christmas and is getting married in 2017, something that I will not be part of. Nor will I be part of the lives of her children.

I feel like I have 3 f...ed up daughters. THREE....How the hell can that be? The first genuinely had reason to have the issues. The second is just mean as a snake and the last is so gullible and encouragable and was swept away by this religion. (she lacks social skills, organization skills, etc) and her husband does it all for her, but for all we know, he may have 3 more wives by now as nobody is ever to travel to Utah. Her dad did it all for her until he moved out. He did her homework for her.

I feel like I have 2 personalities right now, one that wants to blame myself since I have 3 daughter this way. The other knows all the details and circumstances that led to the place we are at here, and I know that I was a really good mother, not just good enough damn it, but the last two daughters had a mom that was there for everything and tried to also teach responsibility and model a healthy lifestyle and I did not let them down until I had an accident when they were 16 and 18. There is an internal battle between the critic and the compassionate one and Im not sure who is going to win in the end, but the critic has been ruling my life too damn long. I just try to remember that God does know the truth and is not sucked into the manipulation and /or lies.

Ok, I got that off my chest. I am sorry for the rant! Can I still be in your Kidless Club?
 
@brat17 I can't speak for @ladee @shimmerz or any of the other moms in this post, but as far as I am concerned, YES you can be part of the kidless moms group.

Sometimes we don't know what has happened to our kids as to how they turn out or why they turned out the way that they did. Sometimes it just is. I know with mine, my behavior had a lot to do with how she turned out. She witnessed my suicide attempts, my drinking, the guys I had. So yes, I know why my daughter is the way that she is, and I accept that. Why I don't accept is the fact that she is now 45, and still blames me and throws shit in my face for everything and anything that she can. Even the things that she is responsible for. That's just unacceptable/childish behavior.

My sister has 3 sons, and the last I knew, not one of them was speaking to her. One is a cop, that is an alcoholic. The other two are also alcoholics, with one being a recovering one. But acts as though the rest of the world owes him a living. My sister does not have PTSD, but her kids saw abuse between my sister and their father.

I honestly don't think that there is a family out there today, that doesn't have something going on within their own home. Be it drugs, abuse, booze, mental illness, or whatever. The whole world is f*cked up and getting worse.

I'm sorry that you are going through this too.....
 
Thank you She Cat.
I need to also be more clear on what I say and realized it after your response,
I am not without error here with any of them. My kids had reasons to be angry at me sometimes. My oldest had it pretty rough and I worked full time and at times the only sitter I had was my mother. I had the benefit of staying home and volunteering at their schools at least a couple days a week while they were growing up. It was just a calm time in their lives.

They certainly all have their own temperaments. Cant imagine the younger raising their own children. My oldest has become less critical after being a parent. She will recall things that she did or demanded or something and really finds humor in it now-I thought that would be the way they would all be-wow was I wrong.

Being so co dependent I guess, my life goal was to raise these healthy wonderful kids....well time for new goals.
 
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