News American Deaths In Terrorism Vs. Gun Violence In One Graph

[ms spock]

American deaths in terrorism vs. gun violence - CNN.com

So do folks find that this is a credible graph?

 

[hodge]

Yep, definitely. And CNN's list is very far from complete about gun violence here.

 

[aut555]

I read more woman are killed as a result of domestic violence then men killed in wars.

 

[Friday]

Credible? Perhaps.

Linking the two, however, I find to be exceptionally dangerous. When governments turn on their citizens as "the enemy" and start waging wars against their own citizens? Things tend to get dark, fast. It's a shift of perception. A very, very crucial one.

I can't remember where this quote comes from, but it describes the situation better than I ever could:

"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."

What I think would be more credible, and more to the point, would be linking the number of Americans killed by IEDs & other weapons of terror. Instead of making a comparison of terrorism vs crime. But that's not the point they want to make. They're going for visceral response, not logical response, or causality, but reactivity. SMH. Treating crime like terrorism? Trying to correlate numbers in the way that graph is? Is conflating 2 entirely separate issues, that are kept at a distance on purpose, and for good reason.

You want crime to go down? It needs to be faced in an entirely different way than one faces enemies of the state.

 

[Deleted member 29920]

Yes, absolutely

 

[hodge]

I think terrorism is criminal.

 

[hodge]

They're just thugs with an ideology. They're still criminals.

 

[Glara]

I'm not sure how accurate the graph is, but it illustrates the argument I use when people think I should be afraid to travel. Everyone I told I was going to Paris was concerned for my safety due to terrorism. I was more concerned about the flight over the ocean lol. I kept trying too explain to people that we are no safer here and it doesn't matter if someone is terrorized by a Muslim or any other person of a different religion. I worry about the clients I see when they come to my agency after being released from prison. I like the graph because it's a visual portrayal of what I try to put into words when I travel.

 

[PTSDfree]

Nearly 3k people were killed on JUST 9/11. I think Obummers is giving us a subtle lecture on why the USA needs cheap laborers aka immigrants.

But I am no gun nut... I strongly believe that gun control still needs to be increased. Just seems like a biased article to me.

I'm not sure how accurate the graph is, but it illustrates the argument I use when people think I should...

Eh. I have a friend out in Munich and there was a lot of small-scale terrorist attacks, even though they went unreported. One of her classmates was raped by a refugee and another was shot in the mall shooting there.

 

[intothelight]

It is interesting to read the gun death numbers included "accident, suicide and homicide", but comparing gun deaths to terrorism related deaths is like comparing apples to oranges. Would't it be far more helpful to break down the catagories and then break them down even further in an effort to find a "root" cause and address that cause as a society? Accident...ages, alcohol, hunting, poor parental supervision? Suicide...mental health services, intervention, hotlines, family community support? Homicide..domestic violence, gang violence, police, poverty, lack of programs and services? It just doesn't make sense to compare unless we are discussing the fiscal reallocation to address the other areas.

 

[Glara]

Nearly 3k people were killed on JUST 9/11. I think Obummers is giving us a subtle lecture on...

I'm sure this is true. My point is that people shouldn't fear travel because of terrorism. If they don't want to leave the US that's fine, there are many beautiful interesting places to see right here at home. But it's no riskier to travel than to stay here and the beauty of traveling out of the country is that it may open your eyes to other perspectives. Maybe help one to see how we are perceived by the rest of the world, and why. I guess I'm just the type of person that likes to see both sides things and travel helps me gain that perspective.

 

[ms spock]

I had never thought about it like that @Friday. Thanks.