News Another Shooting In The Us

[Abstract]

I totally agree with Hashi (and Lizio actually). She expressed what I did not have the energy or inclination to express.

 

[JustBe]

Just a bit of the other side...America is grieving.

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[Queen Boudica]

all it does is give our Right-fringe something to point at, and wave the flag at, and say ' Oh look, foreigners/Socialists/Communists infringing on our freedoms

And it is complete and utter propoganda and factually incorrect that the freedom to debate and criticise another country infringes on that country's freedoms. So what if they are waving their hands and pointing wildly; what they are pointing at is smoke and mirrors.

It is the lack of debate and free speech that the Right fringe is trying to impose by this type of propoganda and emotional bullying to silence logical debate that impinges on America's freedom.

Bullies need to be stood up to not appeased because they are spreading false fear. The pendulum has swung too far sheer reason and moral force should not give into the fears that the Right fringe are trying to invoke to get their way.

 

[anthony]

Bullies need to be stood up to not appeased because they are spreading false fear. The pendulum has swung too far sheer reason and moral force should not give into the fears that the Right fringe are trying to invoke to get their way.

One may then argue... which side is bullying which! Are the gun owners bullying non gun owners, or is it non-gun owners bullying gun owners, when referencing a discussion about guns when children are shot as a result?

I was watching a speech Obama gave, and I think he may have sacked his writers and gone for this himself, because it just sounded too honest to be anything but his own. America has a history of gun ownership. You have it in your amendment, as a right to bear arms. Though he flipped that coin to the size and type of arms. Self protection is a pistol, not a shotgun or rifle. Do you need a semi-automatic rifle to hunt dear? They don't shoot back... so what is wrong with a bolt action single shot rifle for those hunting their food or for sport?

Add this common-sense approach with tighter background checks, and some time... and suddenly there are less guns that do mass damage so easily. You could even add a buy-back scheme for all weapons outside this, and make them illegal without a licence to own them, forcing people to either risk breaking the law and go to jail / fined when caught with them or hand them in as part of the buy-back scheme.

I believe there are lots of options without pissing all over the American Constitution.

 

[Queen Boudica]

One may then argue... which side is bullying which! Are the gun owners bullying non gun owners, or is it non-gun owners bullying gun owners, when referencing a discussion about guns when children are shot as a result?

I don't get your point. My point is that people in other countries have the right to free speech and to point out that countries with gun control do not have mass shootings of children in schools.

The argument that people in other countries should not comment on America's gun laws because the right fringe will use fake fear tactics that foreigners/socialists/communists are infringing on their freedoms is giving crecedence to the right fringe opinion which is clearly playing on people's fears and completely false and a form of emotional bullying because it is based on a fake premise. IMHO

Children being killed by overpowered guns that should not be in the hands of the ordinary citizen is not a false premise it is absolutely true and non-gun owners or responsible gun owners who see that, have a right to point that out and that is not bullying as far as I understand it.

I agree there have to be lots of options without pissing over the American constitution. I don't understand that argument that is reeled out every time someone argues for tighter gun control. It again is playing on people's fears without any real basis on reality IMHO.

 

[catjudo]

I believe there are lots of options without pissing all over the American Constitution.

Absolutely.

The preamble to our constitution is basically an introduction that gives the purpose of the constitution. It lets Americans know what our founding fathers intended and what they hoped to achieve by creating our constitution.

The second amendment gives our citizens the right to bear arms. However, the preamble states that our constitution was written "...in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility..." To me it is obvious that our current situation can't possibly be what our founding fathers intended. There is nothing about our current gun laws that are helping to insure domestic tranquility. Strengthening our gun laws could help us to better align our laws with what was originally intended by our constitution. Unfortunately, there are groups who spend a large amount of money to prevent our laws from changing in a way that will make our country safer and more tranquil.

 

[Bilby]

Yes, when the Constitution was put in place, in was in the days of musketts. I hardly think they could ever have imagined semi-automatic weapons being held by the average Joe, nor do I think that if they could, that is what they intended.

 

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Well said Bilby. There is no room for assault rifles. I wish they would be banned.

 

[mybutterfly]

When guns are outlawed, only criminals have guns. That makes the law-abiding citizens sitting ducks. Funny how all these mass shootings occur in places that proudly post signs saying "Gun-Free Zone". There would be far fewer mass shootings if those signs read "Every adult in this building is armed and trained in the use of deadly force." Every major dictatorship in the world started by confiscation of the guns. The police cannot protect everybody, and these days they are mainly interested in protecting their own a$$es. When Hurricane Katrina hit there was massive looting, and where were the police? They were going through the wealthy neighborhoods of New Orleans that sustained little or no damage, confiscating legal guns from law-abiding citizens who had every legal right to protect themselves and their own property. They knew the police couldn't protect them and weren't the least bit interested in doing so.

The US is rapidly turning into a police state and it has been proven that many of these mass shootings are staged by the federal govt as a means of pushing gun control legislation. The only thing "botched" about the "Fast and Furious" case where the feds let thousands of guns "walk" into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels is that they got caught. That was to be nothing more than a means to achieve gun control. The "Batman shooter" in CO was a govt. mind control subject. He was financed and trained by the govt. with thousands of dollars worth of equipment that is impossible to get outside the military or CIA. Virtually everyone of these mass shooters from Columbine years ago to the latest one in CT was also on some type of psychotropic drug(s) that all carry warnings that the drugs can cause suicidal or homicidal behavior. We need to stop drugging our society instead of disarming them. Those intent on murder or suicide will always find a way.

Yes, unfortunate incidents like these will always happen, but realize that 10 times as many people are killed every year by drunk drivers than by guns. Should we outlaw cars? Worse yet, nearly 100 times more people are killed every year by prescription medicines that are taken exactly as prescribed! This country has a drug problem, not a gun problem.

An armed populace is a citizenry. A disarmed populace is a bunch of slaves.

 

[ms spock]

The US is rapidly turning into a police state and it has been proven that many of these mass shootings are staged by the federal govt as a means of pushing gun control legislation. The only thing "botched" about the "Fast and Furious" case where the feds let thousands of guns "walk" into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels is that they got caught. That was to be nothing more than a means to achieve gun control. The "Batman shooter" in CO was a govt. mind control subject. He was financed and trained by the govt. with thousands of dollars worth of equipment that is impossible to get outside the military or CIA. Virtually everyone of these mass shooters from Columbine years ago to the latest one in CT was also on some type of psychotropic drug(s) that all carry warnings that the drugs can cause suicidal or homicidal behavior.

I realise that you blame psychotropic drugs for the loss of your daughter. And I feel sorry for your loss.

However, I would like to know where it has been proven that these mass shootings are staged by the U.S federal government? And I don't mean some conspiracy theorist wrote it on a website on the internet but actual proof. Are you able to point me to this proof please, mybutterfly?

I know psychotropic drugs are an issue for you and your believe them to be harmful, but people in therapy and on their medication rarely hurt anyone. It is the untreated and unmedicated people that are the ones that commit the violence.

How do you know that the Batman Shooter is a mind control subject? Where is the information and proof for that statement please? That sounds more like a science fiction movie or a conspiracy theory to me. I have never heard of any information surrounding that shooting that discusses this theory.

I read a lot about Columbine and so far, have never found a reference to treatment or psychotropic drugs in the shooters. Could you please point me in the direction of that information?

 

[Queen Boudica]

An armed populace is a citizenry. A disarmed populace is a bunch of slaves.

Agree with Ms Spock on all of the above. Honestly, Mind Control subjects....... Really?

Well I never realised I was a slave because I live in a populace that do not carry guns. Or that in order to be a citizen I have to be armed. Speechless.

 

[ms spock]

mybutterfly, if you look at shootings in schools and public places, other than the U.S, such as Australia, Canada and the U.K - they certainly don't have with the same frequency or in the same way.

We are unarmed in Australia and can still go about our business and our daily lives. (That is, if we are well enough to leave the house.)