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Are The Majority Of Therapists Crazy?

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s in all things,when you find something good against the odds its usually excellent. They're very good when they're good.

Most PTA members at the school are bored and dysfunctional parents trying to find a purpose in their lives that looks meaningful.

Not all, but most are a shade of Desperate Housewives.
It's about the same odds, and just as obvious if you pay attention.


The good ones are great, I bet you'd instinctively know who to avoid and who to sit next to in a PTA meeting.

:roflmao::laugh::dead: Good comparison.

I mean "crazy" as in: ill intent towards patients who've done nothing wrong; sits through sessions with any and every objective except to serve the patient; emotional and/or mental clusterf*cks to the point where they are out of touch with reality; shamelessly lying or manipulating the patient for...entertainment, laughs, to feel powerful? Who knows?

I have never met a therapist who meets this description, but I suspect they're out there. There are good apples and bad apples in every profession. I'd say if you suspect a therapist to be as you describe, run the other direction as quickly as possible, and trust your instincts ... but don't throw away your picnic basket just yet. Keep looking and you might find a shiny, satisfying apple on a different tree. I did and I don't like apples. ;)

I definitely wouldn't go so far as to say the majority of therapists are crazy, by any definition. I would like to think many of the crazy ones wouldn't make it through certification. Are they human? Yes. Do many of them have the same sort of issues as their clients? Probably. But certifiably crazy? I doubt it.
 
The good ones are great, I bet you'd instinctively know who to avoid and who to sit next to in a PTA meeting.

I have seriously, and recently, regretted not using my own common sense.
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This.
 
Wow, I detect some real defensiveness and possibly projection here. When you chose a doctor, did he graduate at the top or bottom of his/her class? There are certainly some therapists that lack knowledge, and a few who are in it for the wrong reasons such to exploit clients, such as with boundary issues including sexual behavior. Yet, for the most part, therapists are like any other field, (teachers, nurses, etc) which chose a helping field. Some teachers are much better than others, no different than therapists. Teachers may become teachers because they value education, and most T's become T's because they are hopeful that with the right care, others can overcome life obstacles.

The only generalization that I can even make regarding therapists is that they are often somewhat co-dependent themselves. Why else would they work for peanuts with a masters degree. (must have at least masters to be a therapist) A single mom with 2 children, a masters in counseling, social work, or psychology is eligible for free lunch in most states. A hundred thousand dollar education earns them about $32,000 in most states as beginning wage per year. I know therapists that went from a receptionist job and for the next 10 yrs of repaying student loans, made several hundred dollars less per month. Waitresses and nail technicians make more money and are not responsible for errors in preventing a suicide. Much of the time, they never know if they did a successful job since the appearance of happiness by clients upon closing is not a sign of success. Often, one therapist plants some ideas or provokes thoughts and works with a client quite briefly. The client returns to practicing what they have learned, later returning to the T or another one depending on their circumstances. The T must re-license bi-anually, and to do so must complete CEU's that are timely and costly. They have to be insured. Some employers assist with this, but not usually the licensing fee. They have to cancel their day for a suicidal patient all too often, and attend a mental hygiene hearing at any given time. Their documentation has become ridiculous, particularly for Medicaid patients. Every career therapist that I know has lost someone to suicide during their many years, and always suffer with guilt.

Now days, many have to go into homes to see kids or do family counseling, where they are exposed to everything from lice and scabies to a bi-polar unmedicated parent who may stick a shot gun up their arse. Parents are not happy when the T has to report them to CPS.

Speaking of crazy, which is not the word I would choose, a large percentage of clients just want to hear themselves talk. Some are there due to legal or work problems or pushed into it by a partner-and many other reasons. When dealing with mental illness, there is a lot of negative clients, who of course will be critical of the therapist, he/she is not exception to the skewed view of the world. They are usually the same ones that are the can't do's. They shoot down every suggestion the therapist makes. Those that are willing to do the work, sincerely attempting a trusting relationship, open to suggestions, attempting to understand themselves honestly, not there to argue, have enough pain to want change, will find a therapist genuine, empathetic and competent . Unfortunately, there are some just not competent or qualified-very unfortunate.

Everyone is not a good match for a variety of reasons. That does not mean the client or the therapist is defective, things just do not click for a variety of reasons.

I find that most therapists are somewhat colorful people. They have experienced things out of their control as children, and made poor choices from their own choosing. They are often very analytical. Personally, I would not want to see a therapist that had some kind of "normal" history. How could someone that did not have some serious challenges relate to my challenges. While they do not have to be the same, they need to have made mistakes and over come.


When I first read the OP of "crazy", I thought of the song , were all crazy. There have always been jokes about psych people being a bit crazy, lawyers being dishonest, computer people being boring, etc. After I read what the original poster defined to clarify the term "crazy", I see this much differently. For the OP, I am sorry to say that it is possible that the therapists have not wanted you to come back. I hesitate in saying this because nobody likes rejection, but if you keep encountering T's that you think are jacking you for entertainment, it sounds like you suffer a significant amount of paranoia and there is really nothing they can do to change that. I know many T's, socially, professionally, and through my own treatment, and I have not encountered what you are speaking of.

Now if we were talking about psychiatrists, who are MD's, I could better understand. They are not usually there for counseling, or listening to your circumstances. They are notorious, in the 10 minute appointment, to ask about sleep, eating habits, and bowel movements, and do a lot of silent staring. Generally, they will cut you off if you start telling them about an argument with your significant other and hand you a prescription and tell you to return in 3 months. Even then, that is a generalization, though common one, that I have experienced and heard the same from many others. Yet I know they are all about brain chemistry and don't take it personal or as a defect-its just what they do.
 
Crossed a lot of T's in my travels. None come even close to this description.

At some point, if you're seeing a pattern like this, this extreme, the question needs to be asked, is it them, or you?
 
My therapist isnt "crazy" (i hate that word) and is likely the sanest person ive met. My therapist is WONDERFUL!

I have had some wacked out free therapist but the issue is looking for QUALIFICATIONS. Im sure there are wack jobs in the industry (just like any industry) but you as a client has the abilty, and should, scan them and go to another if it isnt a good fit.

Id be very choosey when it comes to my therapist.
 
Wow, I detect some real defensiveness and possibly projection here. When you chose a doctor, did he graduate at the to...

OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Good lord, codependency is required for someone to get a masters degree and then want to work for peanuts.

IMHO you sound quite elitist and very condescending. Educational level entitles one to just about nothing. I get annoyed by the attitude of people must have something wrong with them if they have a higher degree but choose not to enter a high paying field.

I'd hate to be one of your kids. All the pressure to just work for money and not actually follow your calling. (Yes, your sort of attitude can be devastating to the mind of a child; I should know.)
 
Why else would they work for peanuts with a masters degree.
Wait, what? $150 to $300 an hour is peanuts? On what planet?

A hundred thousand dollar education earns them about $32,000 in most states as beginning wage per year.
I don't know what you think I meant by therapists. I'm talking about people who sit on their asses in an air conditioned office all day, (perhaps on an upper level of a high-rise with a skyline view) and charge at least $100 an hour. You apparently are talking about county social workers -- and I know those people don't have to have a master's degree. Where are you getting your information from?

And what does any of this have to do with co-dependency anyway?

Everyone is not a good match for a variety of reasons. That does not mean the client or the therapist is defective, things just do not click for a variety of reasons.
So then why do some therapists have full book of clients who pay $275 per hour, while others scrounge by in medicaid ghettos? Are the right "matches" simply falling into the laps of the former, but mysteriously not the latter? Or are there right ways and wrong ways to do therapy just like anything else from scrambling an egg to making a left turn?

I know many T's, socially, professionally, and through my own treatment, and I have not encountered what you are speaking of.
The totality of traits I mentioned were present in just one therapist I've seen. The others exhibited maybe one or two.
 
Therapist & Counselor are 2 very wide umbrella terms that cover a huge number of actual jobs with a wide variety of qualifications. The least of which requires no education, training, or practical experience (just paying a licensing fee with the state, and pay taxes on earned income), the greatest of which requires 15+ years of specialized schooling & thousands of hours of supervised counseling during their residency & internship(s).

So whether someone has just put out a shingle, or devoted a decade or more to specialized education & training? Accounts for some of the wide variation in both skill & fees.
 
The first time I started seeing a therapist someone warned me that they're all crazy, b. ut I thought he was being flip. Y...[/QUO

I just want to laugh so hard. Ok, gaslighted by soon to be ex Psy MD. So l researched on the internet, crime committed by docs. Psychiatrists were the mostly to be arrested out of all the doctors. General practitioners were next on list. Shrinks were sexually assaulting their clients and then there wete just pure criminal acts that they got busted for. A lot of docs kill their wives, that seems to reoccur.
 
OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Good lord, codependency is required for someone to get a masters degree and then want to work for peanuts.

IMHO you sound quite elitist and very condescending. Educational level entitles one to just about nothing. I get annoyed by the attitude of people must have something wrong with them if they have a higher degree but choose not to enter a high paying field.

I'd hate to be one of your kids. All the pressure to just work for money and not actually follow your calling. (Yes, your sort of attitude can be devastating to the mind of a child; I should know.)

Its my opinion. I am a realist. If you read it all, I stated that my the time one enters the field, they have apx. $100,000 in debt. They meet poverty levels if employed full time. That is not elitist, that is responsibility to be able to provide or go on welfare after investing 7 yrs into education and this much cash. As I stated, it is my opinion that one must be somewhat co dependent to want to help others this much. I can't think of another profession that pays less and requires education, board certifications, CEUs , fees,. Ministers certainly get better pay and many benefits such a home. I would hate to be one of your kids too, expecting someone else to buy their shoes Im sure. Maybe grandma, or a welfare voucher, but not parents. Money is only a problem if you don't have it.

Bafof-in the US, therapists are not making that kind of money, I would not call that peanuts of course. An agency may charge any fee, but accept what insurances pay. The agency does not pay therapists what they bring in, they get a salary, often in the 32,000 range...LOOK it up National average for LPC or LSW with masters degree starting wage. That is $15 per hour. A session is really 45-50 min. However, clients push those limits to the hour, inconsiderate that the therapist has others waiting. They wait till the end to spring a big problem....of been feeling a bit suicidal. No problem. Therapists should wear a catheter I suppose. The T is suppose to allowed the rest of the hour to do their documentation (ideally) and notes and take a pee. Therefore, they often have to work an extra few hours to catch up on notes and documentation, reducing their rate further to about $12-13 per hour. And min. wage is what? And they want to raise it to what? I have friends in this field who are paying $800-1000 per month for 10 yrs to repay student loans.

Do the math-$600 week less tax+ $500 week= $2000 per month
Students loan $800
Net pay $1200 = POVERTY
They may get health insurance but have to pay a portion.

Then you wonder why they leave the field...haha...really. Good ones get out. Some good go into private practice and do make, or charge $150 an hour, especially in bigger cities but its all relevant...where rent is $3000 month for a 1 bedroom. It is a pathetic salary. You get what you pay for and I really do Not believe many are writing a check for $300 for therapy. The biggest complainers are usually the ones getting it for free. Welfare pays the best. My insurance only allows my therapist $65 per hour in private practice, and my co pay is 25 after I meet $1000 deductible. These therapists have rent , utilities, health insurance and city tax, business tax, self employment tax, etc. They are not doing too well.

After all this, they have all these negative comments about the competency, that they are evil and out to get them as posted above. Why would anyone chose this profession when you can be a manager an McDonalds and make a better wage without all this crap. They often get stalked or have problems with clients unwanted contact.

I assure you, you can NOT do any sort of counseling without a masters degree in the United States. It is illegal, You must be licensed in your state that you are practicing. County social workers is something completely else. States can hire and make them social worker for state work only....and they do not need masters...but are not qualified to counsel either. They bill at a different rate and make even less. Look in your area yellow pages for agencies, then do a google search . Sorry, but you do not know what you are talking about. I have a masters and am a therapist. I have had the benefit of my own business so do not have to put up with agency work of 60 hrs a week. Believe me, the pay is crap and its attitudes such as yours that has led me into other work. Why attempt to help those who think we sit on our asses in air conditioned high rises with sky view. You are contradicting your self-should therapist help the homeless, those abused through domestic violence, the addicts-all of who have no money? Or do the successful ones get the sky lights and $300 per hour. Can you even define success? Because I have volunteered more hours for disadvantaged than paid for. Why, because I have a tendency toward co-dependency, just as a high percentage of my colleagues do. Just not the ones who are booked full at $275 and hour cash only business, because No insurance is flipping that bill.
 
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