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Not sure if this is helpful or not, but I recognized that my need to be alone is based on my feeling that I absolutely cannot live up to another's expectations of me. I mean, I am broken. It pains me too much to not be able to take on my share of a relationship. So for me, it is not actually about wanting to be alone, although that is what it feels like to me. In digging deeper and having a bit of alone time after a failed relationship, I honestly believe that the stress of another's expectations of me was just too much. It put me into a spin that I just couldn't get out of. I am pretty sure if I gave it more thought I could think up other more appropriate words as well. What those words, for me, always seem to boil down to is 'this is too stressful'.

I just wonder if it is possible that the word 'alone' maybe could be a misnomer?
 
I just wonder if it is possible that the word 'alone' maybe could be a misnomer?
Yeah. And I don't see it as being about "wanting" to be alone. It's a lot of other things. Like "Who would want me around?" or "I can't ask anyone to deal with this." Things like that. It's complicated.
I honestly believe that the stress of another's expectations of me was just too much.
Not wanting to disappoint people, or hurt people. Also not being able to juggle the stuff that's going on in your head with other people's needs.

There's something I'm beginning to see as more of a "thing" than I'd have thought, from reading the supporter threads. Apparently, for at least most of you guys, it seems like talking about things is a "Good" thing. I don't experience it that way. I experience it as being deeply dangerous in ways that are hard to explain. It's beyond "nobody wants to hear this stuff", although that's part of it. It's dangerous. I said something about this to my T once. He smiled, thanked me for my concern, and told me he can take care of himself. Since then he's not only proved that he can, he's demonstrated how he does it. I'm not too worried about him. Other people? Different story. And, if they want to get too close? Maybe it just means they don't know any better. Maybe I have an obligation to protect them.

@PTSDWIFE , tell him what my T said that first time, about it affecting more aspects of your life than you realize. I thought I knew what was what and I was wrong and continue to be surprised. Maybe he really "has always been that way". One of the things i found was that this stuff doesn't necessarily start where you thought it started. But, there really is help, if you're willing to try and able to find it. (Which is also a real issue sometimes. I got really lucky that way.) After all, what's he got to lose? If he does nothing, he loses some really important people in his life and that's a pretty big deal, the way I see it.
 
Some of the things that shimmerz and scout said are also true for me. Here's another piece of my take on "alone":
- Connecting with other people is dangerous because then they go and care about me. Which is a problem because if they care about me, I might be worth something, which implies I didn't necessarily deserve what happened, which implies what happened was wrong and not okay, which is dangerous and painful territory.
- When I am not symptomatic (when my stress cup is not so close to overflowing) I can remember what I've learned - that this stuff wasn't okay, and I am worth something. I can remember who and where I am, and other people are not a threat. But when I am symptomatic, and especially when I can't hide that (and therefore there is a risk that someone is going to ask me where I have been or show concern?) Other people are downright dangerous, until I get my head back on straight.

Other supporters have given you some pretty good advice about relationship boundaries. I am not currently in a relationship. In part, this is because I know I cannot yet provide sufficiently healthy communication about my isolation/symptoms.
All I can say is that for me, isolation (or shutting down, which goes beyond just "being alone") creates space to fight it all out, away from major stressors (and away from people I might hurt in the process). It's a reset button for when things get really bad, and I come back out better than when I went in.
 
I understand that isolation is more than being "alone." Unfortunately, my husband has a very hard time communicating in general, and especially communicating his feelings. Based on what he says and his actions, I have inferred it is isolation.

Having a degree in psychology and my own anxiety, I really do understand why he shuts down. It just sucks that he is in emotional pain and I can't help him. I wish that he would be willing to go to a therapist and/or take medication. However, it is hard to admit to yourself you need help, much less ask for it. It isn't my choice to make, so I just need to accept it. Once again, it just sucks.
 
Yeah. And I don't see it as being about "wanting" to be alone. It's a lot of other things. Like "Who would want me around?" or "I can't ask anyone to deal with this." Things like that. It's complicated

Just so you are aware, many people would want you around. Many people want to deal with it because you are a package deal. It might not feel that way, but it is true.
 
Wow. @shimmerz @scout86 @One step at a time I think I speak for all supporters/ex-supporters on here when I say thank you for your posts. Many of us who have been abruptly left by a sufferer struggle to piece together "WTF Happened" and what could be going on in our sufferer's heads. Your posts were very enlightening.

Question: after one of these relationships has failed due to you feeling like you can't meet expectations, can't deal with being loved and made to feel like a valuable human, is there anything us exes can do to make you feel safer and know that you can be fully accepted and loved with us? Or is it just a matter of leaving you alone to sort things out, and you'll reach out if and when you want to reconnect?
 
I wasn't asked but I'll answer.

The truth is that I never looked back with any of my ex's. I was too busy running away. I didnt care about any of the hearts I broke or guys I left wondering WTF happened.

But then along came my current guy when I wasn't even looking.

Things are just so different. He doesn't set off my system with red flags. (He has none----yes, none. Obstacles to overcome, yes, but red flags, none.) It's nice knowing that the biggest obstacle to being together is NOT my disorder.

I hate to put it in these terms, but I never knew I could even have a partner who didn't set off my system until I met him. This says it all-----I cannot sleep when there is anything wrong or unsafe around me. He is the first guy that I've ever been able to sleep beside. And I sleep like a baby. My internal system knows he is safe.

What I'm trying to say is that you can be the best supporter ever, you can do everything right------but you cannot override/fool our internal hypervigilance system. It knows when something is off.

And maybe people won't believe me, and that's fine. I wouldn't believe me either unless I'd experienced it for myself.[/user]
 
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Question: after one of these relationships has failed due to you feeling like you can't meet expectations, can't deal with being loved and made to feel like a valuable human, is there anything us exes can do to make you feel safer and know that you can be fully accepted and loved with us?
Good question!

It actually indirectly related to something I've been avoiding in therapy. :bag:

I haven't been in many relationships. I think, maybe, all those feelings cause me to send off signals that encourage people to leave me alone. Just guessing about that. Of the 4 relationships that come to mind....... 2, to be quite honest, were with people who had at least narcissistic tendencies and what finally happened was I realized I was being used and quit. The third was just too complicated. The 4th........He died unexpectedly. But I've been thinking about what made that relationship feel safe(ish). 1) I was sure he could take care of himself. That made me feel less like I had to protect him from "me". (Being as how I kind of see myself as a dangerous and toxic person.) 2) I could never find a thing about me that he thought was a deal breaker. Eventually, I kind of tried. Very very few people really know "the real me". Partly because most aren't interested and partly because I figure "to know me is to hate me". (Don't feel the need to argue. I know some of this isn't strictly accurate. I'm talking about the version of reality that exists in my own head,) So, I hide stuff to avoid running people off. With him, it seemed like it was safe to be honest. As near as I could tell, it was. He got angry about stuff that had been done to me, but he never treated me like I was weak or fragile or damaged. Stuff about me that annoys other people, he thought was cute. :rolleyes: He might have been a very accomplished liar. I'd like to think not. But, if he'd lived longer, maybe there'd have been a bad ending, I don't know.

I actually never wanted to isolate with him because being with him was so easy. If I wanted to talk, it was ok. If I didn't, that was ok too. If he needed me to listen, that was fine. Silence from him was fine too. It was just easy being in the same place. He made it clear that he not only didn't expect me to be anyone other than who I was, he didn't WANT me to be anyone other than who I was. No pressure, just acceptance.

That was a process though. It took a long time before I began to suspect I could count on him to be the way it looked like he was. And, thinking about it, the last guy I went out with asked a friend of mine for advice. My friend told him, "The thing you have to realize about Scout is, you have to prove up every day." "Prove up" might be an odd expression. What he meant was, I think, that I tend to expect the worst from people and you only get to trick me once. That last guy was a nice guy, but really clingy and kind of controlling. He's now happily married to someone who's ok with "clingy". We're still friends, but the relationship was WAY too complicated.

I don't know if that makes any sense, much less if it's helpful!
 
Absolutely! How does one commit themselves to a person who just isn't there for the long haul. The constant back and forth is detrimental to a supporters well-being both mentally and emotionally. I just recently experienced a break up with the explanation of me not being supportive enough; which is completely inaccurate. I said that I would relocate to another state and he doesn't want that either. This has become extremely confusing because I thought that we were progressing.
 
It can be so frustrating... because we both suffer, so when we get in the "spinning wheel of death" he always leaves instead of telljng me he's not happy. I'm the opposite, he's a fliggt I'm a fight. When I don't like something I tell him so we can try to get past it.
He just left again yesterday, and of course according to him, everything is my fault. His unhappiness and stress are all because of me "taking" his freedom. Pfffft. He has always been free to do whatever. He says, "I'm taking my life back ". I hardly even see him because I work like 14 hours a day... but once he sees he's still unhappy when he's not here too... He starts coming around. Problem is, now he's isolating his son all of the time too, and he's starting to have problems as a consequence.

I don't know how to make it better.... I'm so sorry so many of you are going through it too. I guess I should have seen it coming Monday when he was talking about 9-11
 
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