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Childhood Child On Child Sexual Abuse?

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To the OP and topic, I admit I am not sure how to go about answering this. Um, if it was a brother, and you were under age 7, you would be highly likely to have amnesia for the actual abuse. You would only have the emotions, like you talk about, and memories of milder grooming, which you do have, it would seem.

All I do know to be true is that where there is smoke, there is likely some fire. Where, is not clear. It could be someone was abusing several kids and this was just aftershocks from that.

If very strong negative emotions are there, then something happened that was abusive, in my experience; maybe not true for all.

From my experience, when flashbacks and memories surface, the moments prior to the trauma repeat like a skipping record and eventually a fragment of the trauma gets broken off and surfaces, which is not pleasant to say the least. You are in that phase when you replay the memory over and over, or it intrudes on you constantly. You get obsessed with it as it is unpleasantly concerning and also confusing and incomplete/unresolved. Anxiety goes way up at that time.

However, what is good is that if a flashback or memory occurs, then you could gain the information you are asking about, the who, what, when, where and how did it make me feel and how it affects me now. You can find out what the triggers are, and deal appropriately with that by removing them or knowing how to expose yourself wisely to them prepared for them.

In my experience you are:

1. Asking the critical question of yourself
2. Remembering/replaying the record right up to the critical moment
3. Trying to remember

Therefore, you are likely to be going along and something will tip this into the trauma, as you are on the edge of it. It is really upsetting and upsetting though, when you fall off that edge of not remembering.

You need to get into a strong support relationship and be in therapy and able to access anxiety meds for the panics that could happen if this is the case.

This is all how I have experiened childhood CSA trauma memory. And from my research since the 90's, this is kind of a overtired Friday summary.

Some fragments tell me what happened and how it felt to me, but I never knew the name of the abusers. I cannot get a clear view of their faces. I was 4. I hardly knew the men, never got a normal look at them or split the trauma from the other memory of them.

But I do know where, and when, so I was able to figure out who they were from that. I found out one is dead. So that's a relief of sorts.

I'm sorry that you are going through this. It is a tough place to be.

Please surround yourself with supports, medical, friends, therapy, the forum. You are not alone with this. Many, many good folks have gone through this. It is unfortunately so common.
 
Was this just normal childhood curiosity or something more serious?
Some of it sounds normal child curiosity, some of it does not. I wonder also whether your brother has experienced something deeper to then put such things in what is otherwise normal childhood curiosity. Some of what you say is quite adult... and I guess it comes down to where he learnt such things, then further whether he continued with such things as he grew (forming an abuser).
I didn't know what was going on at the time, I was so young. As I got older and looked back at these instances, I felt deeply ashamed and humiliated.
Age does this... and it is hard to go backwards to evaluate emotional status then, because our present is just that, our present, and what we feel now is what affects us now, regardless of past or future.
 
I had a close friend who lived across the road. We played a lot together, went up the woods and rode our bikes, very normal boy stuff. I'm guessing, I was about 7 or 8, my friend a year younger.

For a while we played a doctors game, in his bedroom. I was the patient, he the doctor, always that way round. He would examine me, including my genitals, and prescribe a treatment. This invariably involved putting things down my underwear, usually small twigs, even nettles, and we would continue to play, until he said I could remove them. The treatment always had to be 'uncomfortable' and inflict a degree of discomfort. Although I can't be sure, I suspect I was the main instigator of this game, despite the impression that he was in control. By that age I had already endured about 10 operations on my penis to correct a congenital deformity. The similarity between this game and my experiences in hospital are so obvious, it cannot of been a coincidence, but I've always looked back on this with a feeling of guilt and a sense that it was wrong, even though the link to an on-going traumatic episode at that time is blatant. I blame myself for not being tougher, stronger.
 
I blame myself for not being tougher, stronger.
You shouldn't be so hard on yourself, hindsight is a wonderful thing, but you have to think more about your choices at the age level, 7 or 8, and not at your age now. What you experienced then and felt then versus now, are very different things.

This is why sexual exploration is considered a normal part of growing up, because the things we do then are normal for the age, to a degree, and often help shape us to who we become.

To some degree we all have a personality at those ages, and those personality attributes continue with us for life. We chop and change our personality attributes as we define them positive or negative in our present tense.
 
Hi,
The reasons why I am here is because my children lived abuse from children at their fathers home. As indicated playing doctor is a normal discovery game between certain ages. What makes it abnormal is if the child is older (I dont remember the exact age. In my childrens case the boy was 8 and his Sister 6 while my children were 3 and 4 when it started). Also the fact that discovery should not be coersive. The child should stop when the other says no.
Discovery is also usualy not intrusive. No penetration.

Thats what I gathered.
 
I just want to add : I agree the older child is not an abuser to me. Just a child who has à wrong behavior. But it makes no difference for the victim does it ?
 
What gnaws away at me is that although the source of my behaviour was obvious, the actual purpose, the; what was I trying to do or achieve and why? It really bothers me I don't understand it.
 
@Mit maybe look up "reenacting" and bring to therapy.

Seems like a lot of kids use play to process and deal with emotions. Don't beat yourself up for doing what you could at the time to process. You were not trying to be harmful; quite the opposite.

Children use play to work through stuff. It's okay.
 
maybe look up "reenacting" and bring to therapy

Thanks - I'll do that.

You were not trying to be harmful; quite the opposite.

I'm sure you're right, I don't really think I was trying to harm my friend, but I was using him and he could have been harmed, unintentionally. The uncomfortable truth is even at that age it seems I wanted to harm myself, physically and psychologically and psychosexually, through humiliation and by handing control of me over to another. Of course I didn't know that at the time, but that behaviour stayed with me.

Anyway I am in danger of hijacking this thread. Thanks for giving me food for thought.
 
Um, if it was a brother, and you were under age 7, you would be highly likely to have amnesia for the actual abuse. You would only have the emotions, like you talk about, and memories of milder grooming, which you do have, it would seem.

I was sexually abused for years prior to the age of seven by my brother. I have no idea why the sibling aspect would make amnesia more likely??? It's true that I remembered more mild episodes of abuse before the truly horrible stuff hit, but still, I remember.

My brother is six years my senior and was also abused before/while(?) he abused me.

That doesn't change the fact that he raped me, and I now have PTSD.

I'm sorry you're going through these memories and emotions, OP, but I would focus more on your feelings and less on his intentions.

For my brother's part, apparently--according to my T--he was being malicious and intentionally trying to abuse me, exert power over me, and otherwise hurt me.

By the way... Just FYI, because it really kills me, I want to suggest that the euphemism "playing doctor" is not helpful in discerning abuse versus normal exploration. I hope my saying that will not be seen as a cue to bicker about its usefulness. I just wanted to throw out there that I don't think euphemisms are generally useful when talking about potential abuse.
 
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