BPD Complex ptsd vs. bpd

[Deleted member 1860]

I don't mean to throw a wrench into things, but it seems like CPTSD is thrown around even when there isn't a personality disorder OR a dissociative disorder. I know that a number of my symptoms are outside the realm of PTSD, but they don't fall neatly into other categories that warrant another diagnosis. I have had PTSD + major depression (which pre-dated the PTSD) as my official diagnosis' for the last 5 years.

I guess people just need a description to accurately describe what they're going through? Would a CPTSD diagnosis give people a greater feeling of validation? Is that part of what is driving the CPTSD argument?

Edited to add
This was in reply to @anthony's last post

 

[junglegirl]

I think you should read my post above. People are being thrown into the bpd diagnosis due to lack of education on the part of therapists incompetent to treat trauma and ignorant of the etiology of trauma symptoms. As a result of mistreatment these individuals are getting worse not better.

 

[Deleted member 1860]

@junglegirl, I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I said that CPTSD is being thrown around, not BPD. I was actually referring to @anthony's post, but you replied in between in the time I was composing my reply.

 

[anthony]

I think CPTSD is a validation argument, and always has been, yes. This is just another reason why it was rejected, because validation is not an ethical requirement for creating another diagnosis. The DSM and ICD are already suffering diagnosis bloat, of which is being recognised and culled progressively to some extent, yet expanded in other areas. Political correctness is in over-drive with mental illness, which really has no such place in anything medical based.

 

[anthony]

People are being thrown into the bpd diagnosis due to lack of education on the part of therapists incompetent to treat trauma and ignorant of the etiology of trauma symptoms.

This is not exclusive to BPD, and is a major issue in all mental health diagnosis at present. Therapists are literally drumming up business by slapping a label on every normal life issue they can possibly get their hands on... mental health changed to a business model with little ethics long ago. Trying to get it back is the problem... and science is stepping in, but unfortunately there is no scientific analysis in mental health diagnosis, and it's a "best guess" model.

The Internet has made it easier for hypochondriacs everywhere to fill in the right answers on mental health assessment forms, then repeat the same nonsense on interview, to achieve their end result. What we have is a society of hypochondriacs, that is the mental health issue, along with therapy being service industry business model, which is where society is heading as manufacturing industries die.

 

[junglegirl]

@Solara I understood perfectly but I disagree with your analysis. It is bpd not cptsd that has no scientific basis. Good luck.

 

[junglegirl]

@anthony Very true about the "guess model" ; well said.

 

[anthony]

It is bpd not cptsd that has no scientific basis. Good luck.

I think you're way off actually... BPD has a foundation, some of science, as most personality disorders have. Yes, none of them have a pure scientific foundation, because if they did, they would be able to be physically measured via science, without guess work.

CPTSD has no science to it at all... and is all guess work, as is PTSD all guess work, no real scientific underlay to it at all. They don't have a clue, scientifically, what PTSD is, what causes it within the brain or where to really target specifically for a cure. Lots of hypotheses, but nothing actual... let alone symptom analogy is all guessed assessment and based on patient word only.

 

[junglegirl]

Ok anthony you are contradicting yourself. Cptsd and ptsd have no scientific basis even though pet scans and serious neuroscience have been invested in it proving it to be a biological phenomenon but bpd which has no scientific study behind it just pure conjecture is valid? That's funny:D thanks for the lol tonight I needed it being a holiday. Have a great night!

 

[anthony]

Ummm... you do know there are scans for BPD and other personality disorders? Science for mental health pretty much is non-existent, beyond contradicting studies - one saying x - the next contradicting and saying y. If you want to call contradicting studies science, then sure, you could do that if it floats your boat. Personality disorders are difficult to study due to the emotional reactivity associated with them, but they can still measure givens in them.

According to science, you could apparently measure PTSD. Well... they were wrong, because you can't, as another study proved due to inaccuracies between assessment and measurement. Actually, there are quite a few who claimed you could measure it, to only find many inaccuracies. They can measure neuronal and synaptic aspects via MEG and other methods, though the science is still out on factual aspects of PTSD. Very new stuff, basically... as it is for personality disorders and every other mental health disorder.

Mental health is anything but scientific, and the above was purely discussion. There is more knowledge surrounding personality disorders, regardless the name you choose from the list, than most other disorders. Sure, PTSD has been around forever, thousands of years... no doubt personality disorders have as well. Neither were simply known and people used to just kill the mentally ill, or call them crazy, and be done with it. PTSD is one of the most studied over the last decade, no question... because the media created that one.

Mental health, nearly as a whole, is best guess. Science... now that lay in medicine, no question... but is only just starting to creep into mental health, and lacks dearly in PTSD. There is no such thing as CPTSD. Even those confused with Chronic PTSD, the actual diagnosis is PTSD with chronic symptoms.

Because of the above, best guess aspect of mental health, science is only JUST starting to appear in order to make anything a little more factual / physically proven and factual for all mental health diagnoses... but they're all a long way away. The research into personality disorders, from a scientific based view, is showing some good results from last view. Again, there is no CPTSD and PTSD is still best guess, as science is doing more damage than good in studying PTSD at present. Well... actually they're going around in circles, is a better description.

They don't understand the biology of PTSD... so I'm unsure why you're claiming that. Read the studies, and then research the opposite, and you will find them too. I cited personality disorders have some science behind them... CPTSD has none obviously, as it doesn't exist, and PTSD they just keep pissing in the wind with science and biology. They have near zero biological foundation for PTSD to date, because they don't even know what the hell it is, how it forms or exactly where it forms in the brain. Why one gets it and another exposed to the same event doesn't, so forth. The experts have no idea about it... all best guess.

This isn't a new issue with people reading studies... in that you read them as though they're factual and have some meaning. Do you read the biology ones that their results are in rats, not humans? Do you do what most do, and take only what they choose and discard the contradictions?

If you're reading old posts of mine, and claiming contradicting information... then just ask me now, present tense, because things change since time of writing a lot of stuff on this site.

 

[junglegirl]

There is no science behind personality disorders. I am a purist social science is not science and there is no empirical science supporting the cluster of behaviors that constitute what social non scientists describe. This is called conjecture not science and if you research bpd you will see scientists fighting against it for this very reason-real scientists not social "scientists" members of a nonempirical and soft science.I just got this phone so excuse the typos I am not used to it.

 

[anthony]

No argument here. I apply the same to PTSD... in that there is no empirical science behind the disorder for all the above reasons. We know it exists, we know personality disorders exist, but the science, the actual hard factual science, is pretty much non-existent for all mental health.

The problem with the definition of science today, is that we now have one for nearly each area of science, and the one for psychology is pretty damn loose IMHO compared to medicine. You could argue science in mental health all day long... because between the varying types now with such diverse definitions, they place stricter proof on some forms of science, yet use the word loosely for other areas of life.

Behavioural science undermines social science... and thus we keep circling the wheel and ending up back where we started.