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The dog lady had kept telling me her credentials: that she had all this background in training dogs, that she had done extensive research in what service dogs needed to be and she just felt CONFIDENT that she had found THE DOG for me. She was shocked and left having learned a great deal about what the dog COULDN'T be.
If you look for a dog to do a trial period of training to be a service dog, the important thing is to have someone who really understands dog behavior and temperament. This is different than knowing how to train a dog. Many dogs can become highly trained dogs. But many dogs that can become highly trained would not be good service dogs. Not many dogs have the temperament to do service dog work, especially for service dog work for PTSD.

Before I trained my own service dog, I trained service dogs for guide dogs for the blind. Again and again, the dogs who made it through the program has the right temperament and personalities. Sometimes they could actually be harder to train, but once trained, they were calm rock solid steady dogs.

I actually initially worked with dog trainers when I was trying to find a service dog for myself. It was a mess. We picked the wrong dogs several times. I talked to someone at a service dog training center that trained dogs for PTSD, and she told me what I'm telling you now. Don't go with trainers who are used to picking dogs that can be trained. That is important, but when dealing with service dog work, you have to evaluate the temperament of the dog. Then I learned all I could about temperament, and found a dog behaviorist. I told the behaviorist what I needed in a dog in terms of temperament, and we found the right kinds of dogs much faster.
There was talk about us (me and the trainer) meeting the dog lady at a festival next weekend to meet yet another dog. Right now, I can't think of a worse thing for me. I will be on high alert because of all the people and other dogs (it's a dog festival) and they want me to meet someplace PUBLIC??!! Without my therapist in this case??!! NOPE! NOPE NOPE! I am calling bullshit on that one.
Good call! There is NO WAY to accurately temperament test a dog in such a high stress environment for the dog as a public fair. Holy cow. This actually makes me mad that they think they can accurately assess a dog for service dog work based on an encounter in what is a high stress for the dog. Let's say it goes well, they then could evaluate the dog with you one way, and then once the dog gets home and settled into a different environment, the temperament could test differently - and this is well known fact among any trainer who knows how to evaluate a dog's temperament.

Meeting a new dog being considered for service dog work should not mean throwing it in a setting like this with so many people and other animals around. It should be you and the dog, and perhaps a dog expert who knows about behavior and temperament, and the therapist. If that goes well, then take the next step.

Choosing a dog to train for possible service dog work is a long process. If this trainer did her homework, she would have easily known it takes much longer than 1 meeting and one week of evaluation. This true for owner-trainer service dogs and for dogs trained by a professional service dog agency or by private trainers.

Picking a dog to train for possible service dog work is a process that can be overwhelming for PTSD sufferers if they have others trying to push for things to happen. Initially, I had a handful of people helping in my own search but they all had such strong opinions and emotions in it all (people often have strong opinions about dogs) that I ended up doing it with with just me and the behaviorist - and the behaviorist didn't really care if I picked one dog or not. They didn't have any investment or agenda or opinion about any particular dog prior to meeting with me.

I could actually go on and on about this... but I will spare you having to endure any more time of me standing up on my soap box about this. ;)
What kills me about all of this was that both the acquaintance and the trainer were both sufferers. Seems my PTSD was on super high alert and theirs was taking the day off!
I actually think their own PTSD symptoms have likely been involved in this, it just looks differently than how it looks for you. The trainer may have her own blind spots to what she can and can't handle. What works for her isn't what works for others. She sounds like in her anxiety to help you, she has gone too far to try to rescue or care take you by finding a dog for you, almost at all costs! Someone who was more calm about it all would have not had the dog stay AT ALL once it was known the dog couldn't handle a cat. That should have been more than enough reason to stop, but instead she pushed ahead. I believe that was out of her own anxiety and her own personal needs to have this dog work out for you.

They know what would help them and they are projecting it on to you. They mean well, but it doesn't mean they know what you need. Their own PTSD may be effecting their objectivity. Your therapist means so well too...

None of this is not a sign of you needing more than the average person looking for a service dog or you being more messed up than anyone else. It is a sign that they are being foolish in their assessment of their ability to properly help you find a dog to begin to work with to become a service dog.

Lots of people with PTSD use service dogs - and it is a growing trend. You being the first one for your therapist doesn't mean you are the worst case ever. Rather, you are the first person in his case load to be in on a growing trend. 15 years ago, service dogs for PTSD were almost unheard of. 5 years from now, I bet your T will have more clients with service dogs than just you, because it will be more common.

As far as your personal search for a dog, I think you have a great sense about what you need, and good instincts about what is a good setting to meet a dog in. The meeting should not leave you triggered as hell. That really defeats the purpose in every single way.

I can understand your desire to put all of this away and not try again right now. I hope you keep it open as a possible option to reconsider going about finding a service dog in a different way. I agree with others that the people involved need to be changed more than anything... but in the end, as much as I support and love what good trained service dogs can do for people, it is not a process to be rushed and it's also not for everyone. Take your time thinking this through. I think your therapist is hoping for a dog like his for you, a dog that can help you ground at any time. That could help a lot, but the process of finding that dog should not pushed or rushed.

IMHO, you handled this all pretty darn well and you are keeping some good boundaries about meeting the dog at the fair too.
 
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Gotcha. Yeah that is true with cats and possibly small dogs. Do you feel comfortable getting a young puppy? Sometimes getting a puppy is best because you can socialize them to everything. Maybe not a Greyhound, but some other breed. You can take them through puppy classes and such. This is probably what I will be doing when I get my next. Thinking of going with a Golden Retriever or some type of collie.
 
Wow, a greyhound trained for the track with a cat. Crazy. They are trained from a few weeks old to chase. It is what they are hard wired to do, chase until you catch it, some can be fine in a C/D home, but not one track trained. That said, dogs and cats can live together even if the dog has a 'prey' instinct, think squirrels. My dog has some prey drive in her, squirrels, but cats she does not bother with at all. Can lay in the same room together, and pass each other and even get friendly. A dog trained to chase for a living is insane to bring into your home life and needs. Get a good mutt like I found as a stray. She needed me to save her and she daily saves me. No special training. Though I highly recommend the books and media from The Monks of New Skete. Read "the art of raising a puppy' and "how to be your dog's best friend." Got them from my local library.

Don't give up that you will find your best friend. It does not have to be so hard. Go to a shelter and relate. Yes being around other when you have PTSD is very hard, but I have rarely met a four legged the I didn't get the interaction as - this is who you are, and who I am. Little yappers and ankle bitters I don't like so much, spoiled children, angry. Get a good mutt mix. Mine is part black lab, part shepard. Smart, loving, loyal, but most of all has what I call dog-anility. She is very much her own being, not just food and picking up poop. I love her, more than most people know, and trust her more too.
 
Traits I find most compelling to seek out in a companion dog:
Comfortable in their own skin (unlike me). She relates to the world moment by moment, wary but open to an new encounter. Engaged fully out side, is a love pig for attention, but not demanding of attention. She loves to be loved. Open to that, though she had some rough time as a stray. Wary, but always present in the moment. Outside all dog, inside happy to spend her time dozing her doggy dreams.
 
Ok.. got a 7 mile run in today which helped. What DIDN'T help was the nieghbor's mother getting confused about which door to go in and trying to come in MY front door.

Seriously. You can't make that shit up.

As I was headed out for my run my therapist caught me (again) passing the office- he was headed back home from grabbing coffee. I must have looked pretty... unfriendly. He asked if I was going for coffee. No. Run? I nodded yes.
He got my email about the time I was finishing my run on the beach and sent me a text. Said that hopefully we would find a dog more like his dog. "Maybe we can clone him"
Man's an optimist.
 
It blows my mind that this happened. @Justmehere in particular covered most of my thoughts pretty well, and she particularly hit the nail on the head about less trainable dogs sometimes being the best for service work. Anyway, even the "incessant pacing" and "watchful"ness alone would have been a red flag for me.

These women need to take their own stress temperatures for sure. Yelling is never the answer when attempting to calm an aroused dog. Everyone should be as calm and natural as possible.

I suggest first meeting the dog in a place that is calm and neutral (preferably after a good, hearty round of exercise). You can graduate to seeing how the dog does around strange dogs on neutral ground, then introducing your home and cat, after you at least meet the dog first? It seems like a lot to throw at any dog at once.

Another thought is you may ask this dog lady if she has found any candidates who could pass a Canine Good Citizen class. The CGC is a strong foundation for service training and will weed out a lot of dogs with sharp temperaments (which you do not want--think of the pacing and watchfulness).

I'm curious what your T's dog was doing throughout this process? How was s/he behaving during this chaos?

I'll go ahead and throw my two cents about a puppy while I'm on a roll. Puppies are tough. If you want to be at all sure of expected temperament, you'll have to buy from a good breeder, which can be very expensive, and temps don't typicallt settle until 18 months of age. Some breeds notoriously don't develop their true temp until 2-3 years of age. Training and socializing and shaping a puppy is hard work, and you're never sure what you're going to get.

I would foster for at least a couple months before making a full commitment.
 
My therapist's dog was outside to begin so he missed the whole cat/greyhound interaction.

His dog was pretty non-chalant about the whole thing when he came in. The cat was hiding upstairs by then but my therapist's dog lives with a cat: cohabitates quite nicely actually, to hear him tell- they work together to leave him with no room on his bed.

Since he has started working with me, my therapist has started working with his dog to kind of turn him into a therapy dog. He said that for many of his sessions, the dog is there in session with him. It helps other patients with their stress levels as well. (COMPLETELY off topic, I'm actually quite pleased to see that my therapist can finally get his dog to walk nicely on a leash. I gave him links to therapy dog website and I think he's been looking at working with his dog on the things that he would have to be able to do to officially be a therapy dog.)

The dogs sniffed butts as they like to do and then my therapist's dog kind of wandered off. When the grey snapped and growled at him, he kind of looked at him like 'what the hell is your problem" ? I'm not really sure what happened then since I was pretty gone. I know that the dog lady got hold of her dog and my therapist's dog kind of wandered over to him and got pretty chill.
 
@Noah yeah. ok. don't tell him I said so but he's a bit of a bad ass with this therapy thing.
He's got my number: No fru fru bull shit. Chances are if it makes him feel silly I won't take it seriously at all.

Tuesday I am supposed to come in with 5 instances of when people did something kind for me that don't also trigger me so that we can work on resource EMDR. (we've only been talking about THAT since what... Christmas?) This has not been easy for me. Mostly I'm a loner. Most instances of someone helping me have been surrounded by something very ugly and triggery. I've come up with... exactly one and it's not all that impressive. So I'm struggling to figure something out so that I can make some forward momentum.
 
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