Dealing with 2 neighbors with total of 10 dogs.

Weemie

MyPTSD Pro
Also be aware of the laws in your area. As a security guard here in Canada all of our arrests were citizens arrests and they required the individual to cooperate. You were not allowed to forcibly detain anyone against their will and if they leave you simply document and report to police.
 

caroline_13

MyPTSD Pro
To be clear, a "citizen's arrest" will probably not result in an actual arrest, just a notice to appear in court and thereafter charges may or may not be filed. The cops are supposed to honor it but as we know sometimes they do their own thing. It certainly sounds like it is bad enough already bc you've tried to get the cops to act... But yes, think it through, make a decision, and trust that it will all work out.
Yes: by "citizen's arrest" do not detain anyone or order anyone to do anything. Simple tell cops you want to make a citizen's arrest. I should have been clearer.
 

Friday

Moderator
Simple tell cops you want to make a citizen's arrest.
For breaking what law?

From what I read both the police and animal control have done nothing because there are no laws being broken, nor animals abused. The one time there was a dog on dog injury the owner of that dog stepped up and paid for all vet care, without any court involvement. Just because it was the right thing to do. Just like if your kid broke someone’s window, or a mail carrier fell through your deck. Your dog, kid, property, etc. caused damage or injury to someone else? Your responsibility to pay the damages.

Speaking as someone who has spent years homeless, I DO get that sometimes there simply isn’t the money to move or build a fence. Even $100 for a temporary hay bale fence can be as likely as flying to mars next Wednesday. Ain’t gonna happen.

But attempting to detain someone -with either their cooperation or against their will- for having broken no laws? Seems like a waste of everyone’s time & energy. Like getting mad for noise ordances that are NOT being broken, because it’s 1pm on a Saturday and kids are out playing.

(My old neighbors. Angry at 1pm and the kids were playing. Angry at midnight and the frat houses were “playing”. They lived in the wrong neighborhood if they wanted silence. It was a very young and vibrant area. Even the 80yos -who’d been flappers in the 20s- would come out and dance and carry sparklers during Rush Week, and make snow angles with the school kids. Young being a relative term. Those of us who weren’t 20? Still loving the energy of youth & exuberance, rather than being infuriated by it. MY neighbors? Needed to live somewhere with an 8pm noise ordnance. Not midnight on weekdays and 2am on weekends, because, hello, University District. They’d still have been pissed off at afternoon noise, but at least they’d have had quiet nights.)

If the OP lives somewhere with no leash laws? It’s up to THEM to fence off their own property, if they don’t want other people’s livestock to be on it. Or up to them to move to somewhere that the laws align with their own desires. Or up to them to change the laws. Not up to everyone else to change to suit them.
 
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caroline_13

MyPTSD Pro
For breaking what law?

From what I read both the police and animal control have done nothing because there are no laws being broken, nor animals abused. The one time there was a dog on dog injury the owner of that dog stepped up and paid for all vet care, without any court involvement. Just because it was the right thing to do. Just like if your kid broke someone’s window, or a mail carrier fell through your deck. Your dog, kid, property, etc. caused damage or injury to someone else? Your responsibility to pay the damages.

Speaking as someone who has spent years homeless, I DO get that sometimes there simply isn’t the money to move or build a fence. Even $100 for a temporary hay bale fence can be as likely as flying to mars next Wednesday. Ain’t gonna happen.

But attempting to detain someone -with either their cooperation or against their will- for having broken no laws? Seems like a waste of everyone’s time & energy. Like getting mad for noise ordances that are NOT being broken, because it’s 1pm on a Saturday and kids are out playing.

(My old neighbors. Angry at 1pm and the kids were playing. Angry at midnight and the frat houses were “playing”. They lived in the wrong neighborhood if they wanted silence. It was a very young and vibrant area. Even the 80yos -who’d been flappers in the 20s- would come out and dance and carry sparklers during Rush Week, and make snow angles with the school kids. Young being a relative term. Those of us who weren’t 20? Still loving the energy of youth & exuberance, rather than being infuriated by it. MY neighbors? Needed to live somewhere with an 8pm noise ordnance. Not midnight on weekdays and 2am on weekends, because, hello, University District. They’d still have been pissed off at afternoon noise, but at least they’d have had quiet nights.)

If the OP lives somewhere with no leash laws? It’s up to THEM to fence off their own property, if they don’t want other people’s livestock to be on it. Or up to them to move to somewhere that the laws align with their own desires. Or up to them to change the laws. Not up to everyone else to change to suit them.
Respectfully, it seems that laws are being broken: disturbing the peace. There may also be local noise ordinances, but there is a catch all under the state criminal code.

Oftentimes police don't want to act on these, or are not properly trained on them.

But attempting to detain someone -with either their cooperation or against their will- for having broken no laws? Seems like a waste of everyone’s time & energy. Like getting mad for noise ordances that are NOT being broken, because it’s 1pm on a Saturday and kids are out playing.
Perhaps you are misinterpreting "citizen's arrest." It sounds like Hallowean has been in a living hell with all of this. There are grey areas but I don't see one presented here.

I don't know where Halloween lives nor does it matter. My suggestions are aimed at helping her/him.
 
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