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Dissociating Into A Child-like State?

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the extent of their overwhelming impact on my thoughts, feelings and, to a point, behaviours, is beyond what I think would readily be explained as a schema mode.
Although I quoted only from MD's post, the link is for everyone on this thread. For those of you who haven't read it, this really helped me to understand it a lot better, and to identify those moments when I 'switch'.
this website
 
That sentence tells me exactly what the problem is. The child is not "the damn child".

It took me 4 years to understand this. It's only recently that my "child" is no longer the culprit.

As we have, to quote the old cliche, peeled back the layers of the trauma onion

I think these "layers" of different parts may actually be the points where we are emotionally frozen in time. For each different episode/period of trauma, you get another layer of frozen emotional state.
 
With no memories of what I was fond of as a child, it's as if the 'child' never got to exist in me...

This is exactly how I feel when I try to look back on my childhood. There really wasn't anything I really liked with the exception animals. Most of what I remember of childhood times are being alone and constantly daydreaming of something better.

An example of this effect on my life now would be my reaction to my mothers suggestion of doing something special for my graduation. She suggest going to an amusement park or some water park. So I was thinking did I ever enjoy going to one? The answer I found was no, I mean I tried things others thought was fun but I never could feel much emotion except fear. So seeing that I was not enthusiastic about that suggest she as me what I though would want to do. Since I could not come up with anything I told her that I would think about it. I still cannot come up with anything I would like to do or why I should do anything at all for I see it as a waste of energy.


and I had to constantly be in 'adult' mode, and think about safety,

Yeah I remember doing this in grade school. I would be concentrating on staying away from the older kids who harassed and terrified me instead of playing. I would even sometimes try to watch out for the younger kids as well.

I can feel the needs of the child, but the adult knows that the child had better not bond with others or ask for help because that would risk further damaging the child.

This is interesting, I have been trying to put into words the inner conflict I have about attachment. So this helps a lot in being able to define it.

So a part of me I will label my "inner child" seeks the ability to bond with others. The other half I will label the "adult" will purposely try to drive people away to protect against being rejected or picked on. The battle between the two frustrates me for I never sure which one to go with. So I either go back and forth between the two or pick the child and find the adult having to tighter of a hold.
 
I still cannot come up with anything I would like to do or why I should do anything at all for I see it as a waste of energy.

I've had this problem most of my life, certainly from middle school onward. Nothing is ever appealing, nothing gets me excited. A lot of things just seem futile, or there are "more important" things to do. This is one area where I've so far had little luck making any progress.
 
I have no diagnosis regarding dissociation but have become aware of it. Prior to my first "major" flashback, which occurred two years ago, and 15 years after the PTSD diagnosis, I had been having over a year of dreams of actively looking for missing babies, missing toddlers, etc. in my dreams. After looking and looking, and getting tired of this frantic feeling, I did soul retrieval on myself. It worked.

For information on this, and I caution you about it, you can look up Steven Farmer's "Oatmeal and Soul Retrieval." I followed his method; it was very simple once I got started. I won't get into details, I'm too tired. But when it happened, I felt a warmth and fullness in my calves (of all places.) I felt my "missing baby" was restored to my being. The dreams stopped.

There was a "feeling whole again" sense for a while, and thinking about "me" seemed more genuine. Then, within two weeks, the flashback hit me, and full realization of my trauma that I had amnesia about for 30+ years was brought up. It took me two days to process it, during which I was emotionally numb. I had known there was abuse, but not how it really was. It was a lot to process.

After the soul retrieval and flashback, I become more acutely aware of these children/traumas rattling around in my psyche. One night, I thought it a good idea to allow my little terrified girl to "have the floor." Bad idea. She "took over" my emotions and body. I was tiny, the room seemed large and looming, I was extremely terrified, and cold. Shaking ensued, teeth chattered, and shadows loomed all over the walls (in true hyper-vigilance, my abuser was everywhere and nowhere!). I was in the fetal position, frozen on the floor, unable to cry for help. My Husband was sleeping. Somehow, the control over me passed enough. I unfroze enough to start a bath and got in the warm water with some oils, which helped the episode pass.

Since this time, I've been on anxiety meds. There have been more episodes like this one. Nothing "takes over" so much as their frozen in time trauma is replayed in real time for me to re-experience. I always get really strong, negative emotions, feel the trauma is present, happening, (I instinctively beg for my mother to come save me) and I get very, very cold (I call this going into shock) during which my teeth chatter uncontrollably as I freeze. I cannot get warm. The bathtub is a lifesaver. I usually take my meds, or a tiny bit of alcohol to warm up, and get in the hot bath water. I try to be the mother I needed then to myself now, or allow my husband to fill the role.

This last time, he and I noticed, the little girl wanted her mother and wouldn't accept any substitute. It took some time to get her to see mother never listened or cared or believed her. "That" mother never existed and never will come. Since then, I have had to grieve that as a child, not as an adult, because I already processed this for years. The child was still waiting for her mother, and I had to tell her, "She's never going to come save you. I/we are the savior."

This has been a very hard kind of thing to go through without therapy.

My recommendation is to not go poking around into the amnesia and ego states/frozen traumatic memories like I did as though they can't hurt you. Just bringing up the buried stuff is hard on me and my family. Integration of it is hard.

I now have arguments with myself, as I feel someone else inside is not willing to do what the nagging adult says it will do even if it's stressful. As that begins, I lose time, usually half hour or so, and miss the appointment anyway, so the inner child who didn't want to go wins by default from the dissociation that was caused in the splitting. Not sure. Are these really alters or frozen trauma ego states or just re-experiencing the trauma in state-dependent memory? I don't really buy the DID theory. It's just that trauma is such a package deal. You get the whole thing, including feeling the age you were when it happened. I am not convinced that personalities split off; I think it's the re-enacting of the traumas by our current mind, confused by the re-experiencing in the now the traumatic memory that is so old, that gives the feeling it has a life of its own. All that's for sure is that it is weird and confusing (and hard to explain.) :)

It is hard to accept this is the way it is now, in my 30s, from childhood traumas. Is there therapy or meds that help?

Thank you if you read this long post. It was hard to get this out. Those of you with this know what I mean.

Muse
 
Is there therapy or meds that help?
Hi Muse. I am sorry you decided to do this on your own. It is not something to work on by yourself. I'm glad your husband was willing to help you.

A good trauma therapist can help a lot. They know how to process and work through what you went through so that "child" can heal and that means you can come to grips with what happened to you. I'd say you don't have to worry about DID. But I can tell you that DID is real. There are many different levels of it. For those of us who are at the end of the thing, with many of these "children" and multiple traumas in our life, life is not easy.

I am glad you only have one. Please try to find a good trauma therapist. Good luck, and good job on being able to share it. I know that was not easy.
 
@Muse

Wow. I've been going through something somewhat similar, but far less intense at this point. I think I'm just at the tip, so far. But what you describe is exactly what others have been telling me about, recently, regarding their experiences, and corroborating some of mine, and it also further confirms some of what I feel has been going on with me.

DID is real -- it's further along the continuum of separation. Many of those who have this situation have alternate identities that don't even know about each other. @Safenow and others here know much more about this than I do and can give you first-hand information. :)

I have to say, this is a great thread. :D
 
It feels totally normal for people whom experience severe dissociation and trauma in their childhood like myself to have a child come out and want to experience being a child. Well in my case I have DID, so it is my child alter, or other I like to call it. I have about 10 or more of them that are children under the age of 10 I discovered from my significant other and therapist as well as my friends. But I could really have a childhood with the way things went in my childhood "like you said" So wanting to come out and be a child is perfectly normal and fine. Don't feel bad or guilty because you have been experiencing this sort of dissociation. I am 30 years old, and still I wish I could turn back time and take back what I missed.
 
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