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The last thing I want to do is invade a space in which I'm not welcome. And as my history is not of what would probably be considered the "usual" variety of sexual abuse--I'd like as much feedback as possible: not only whether others with experience with therapist-diagnosed cases of sexual abuse know if my case would be considered "diagnosable" as such--but more importantly, what are others sentiments...as to whether "I belong".

I've been told both that I do, and that I don't qualify-so I seek a consensus from those not only familiar with the diagnosis and treatment, but your honest feelings as to whether or not I "fit" in your opinions. Any and all responses would be greatly appreciated.

There's no question that most of those suffering from the legacy of sexual abuse have had, on par, much more dramatic and traumatizing experiences than I. I'm well aware of that. But as far as the corrupting, debilitating shame that pervaded my entire life through adolescence-and so colored my sense of self as something unworthy and dirty, etc...and the preoccupation with "the terrible secret which noone must know", which separates one from the world and others, making one an outcast even from him/herself, forcing the creation of an "external, false self" one must portray to the world--in those respects I qualify, in spades.

I hope that any who might feel that I am dishonoring their struggle by comparing mine with their own will understand that I am in no way attempting to do so--which is why I only ask for some resonance, some sense, coming from experience, as to whether I actually have any claim on the title. I know that it ruined my sense of self, and early life--maybe therefore much of my later life, as well. But as for whether it qualifies, I leave that to you.

When I was 5, I was introduced to homosexual sex by an only slightly older boy in my neighborhood. He convinced me to be dominant, while he was submissive. This became the basis of our friendship.

I have other trauma-related issues, as well...most significantly severe emotional abuse by a cocaine addicted father who actively hated me, saw me as a threat to his relationship with my mother, and the fact that he had spent his life from 10-49 in Latin America, and didn't reveal this to me, essentially therefore raising me in with the model of a Latin American male, (but without any accent, as he'd learned English first) and with a "Latin communication style", that was completely different from my peers-and for which I of course had no explanation, at the time (my mother also lived almost half of her life in Latin America, and was essentially "Latinized", as well).

I say this only by way of explaining that I not only had no way to relate to my peers, as we were on different cultural wavelengths, but had a sense of unworthiness through my father's rejection, which made interaction with peers doomed with all the more certainty.

When this boy moved away I was completely isolated. The only other boy in my neighborhood who I could relate to was a second-generation immigrant, and so similarly challenged-whose father was an alcoholic as well. I'd found someone who I could relate to, at least somewhat.

But the only way I had of relating, the only foundation for friendship I'd learned, was on the basis of homosexual sex.

He remained my best and only friend from that point until age 13, during which time we regularly engaged in homosexual acts. However, we never admitted to each other that they were occurring, or that either of us were even aware of them.

A crazy existence, I realize now, of course. I realize I learned to "compartmentalize" as a way of life, not even admitting to my conscious mind what I'd shut away in some space so dark that it wasn't in play, or a factor, even in my communications with my friend. On some level I was aware. But I was able to keep it behind a wall.

At around age 8 my friend's brother discovered our secret. He proceeded to announce it to everyone in his family, and friends--but as he was a known liar and ne'er do well, no one believed him. But I lived in constant fear that everyone would suddenly begin to believe him. This was during the age when such a shameful secret revealed publicly would have ruined my parent's sterling reputation (their highest priority), and probably have resulted in my being sent away, hospitalized, who knew?

This continued to the age of 13, when I split with my friend when he stole from me. But it was just an excuse. I couldn't maintain the comparmentalization, function with the shame and self-disgust, and self-hatred, any longer. I buried it deep, and plastered on a smile.

I have never had a homosexual relationship since, and have had a number of committed, long-term heterosexual relationships. I'm convinced that I repeated the experience I was exposed to at that early age, as the only means I knew of establishing a friendship, and out of loneliness and isolation. I believe the early sense of being intrinsically worthless was derived in large part from my father, and isolation from peers, but that this "terrible shameful secret" did more to traumatize me through self-hatred, and fear of discovery, than any other factor.

But what's even worse, I believe, is that as I was responsible for introducing him to the behavior, myself, I not only had no one else to blame, but felt as though I was the evil party, wholly corrupt and without a prayer of salvation. But this awful secret, acknowledged by neither of us, somehow tied us together, insuring its repetition. Without it, and the secret somehow binding us together, even though unacknowledged-I feared I would have no basis for the friendship, and be left ultimately alone in the world-as not only my father was abusive and unstable, as mentioned, but my mother was harsh, scornful, and manipulative-only showing gentleness on rare occasions, and then only when I'd performed to her standards.

Please tell me, all who care to respond-do I qualify as having suffered sexual abuse?


Thank you
 
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Hi Promicarus, and welcome to the forum!

There is no qualification to belonging and engaging with this site. If you feel like you were abused that is enough. Personally, from what you have said it sounds to me most definitely that you were abused. You say that the other boy was only slightly older than you. That makes me question what had happened to him that he was engaging in such behaviours and encouraging you too?

It is common for survivors to minimise the experience - as you have done. It is a way of the brain compartmentalising the memory and trying to make sense of it in the big bad world.

As for self -blame, that is classic too. You were not to blame.

I'm sorry I don't have time to write more now. Just glad you have found us.
Regards
Lucy x
 
Hi Promicarus, and welcome to the forum!

There is no qualification to belonging and engaging with this site. If you feel like you were abused that is enough. Personally, from what you have said it sounds to me most definitely that you were abused. You say that the other boy was only slightly older than you. That makes me question what had happened to him that he was engaging in such behaviours and encouraging you too?

It is common for survivors to minimise the experience - as you have done. It is a way of the brain compartmentalising the memory and trying to make sense of it in the big bad world.

As for self -blame, that is classic too. You were not to blame.

I'm sorry I don't have time to write more now. Just glad you have found us.
Regards
Lucy x

You can't begin to imagine what your words of acceptance mean to me, and what weight feels as though it has been lifted from my shoulders knowing that someone who "knows" believes I'm not to blame. Words fail me. Thank you.
 
I'd like as much feedback as possible: not only whether others with experience with therapist-diagnosed cases of sexual abuse know if my case would be considered "diagnosable" as such--but more importantly, what are others sentiments...as to whether "I belong"

I don't think you need to worry about the 'diagnosis' as such. Some might call it kids experimenting, some might call it abuse. I'm not sure a label is helpful because I don't think every situation can be placed in a specific box.

You were 5 years old - you didn't know any different. You couldn't possibly understood what you were doing, just as your young friend couldn't possibly know what he was doing encouraging you to engage in sexual acts. If you need to look at blame, then it's the adult or adults who introduced him to sex and sexual acts, at such a young age. Maybe it was another child, but at some point there has to be an adult responsible for teaching a very young child about sex, dominance and intercourse.

You then started a friendship with another young boy, based on the only thing you knew from your previous friendship - sex. When you stopped being friends, perhaps he got involved in a sexual friendship with someone else. It's a cycle, that started before you. Who knows exactly where it started, maybe your first friend, or his friend before that. But at some point, someone older introduced a young child to sex. And that is the person who should be blamed. Not you, and not your equally young friends. Kids don't know what's 'normal', what's right and wrong. They just go with the flow. Sex is for adults, who understand what they are doing, are able to give consent and understand the consequences of their actions, and are emotionally developed enough to deal with it.

At the end of the day, you were exposed to sexual acts, at such a young age, that it affects you today. None of our stories are the same. We all have different reasons to be here, but the sad thing is that the consequences are all too similar. Feeling guilty, feeling depressed, blaming ourselves, re-living events, drowning in anxiety and stress, feeling unworthy of love, using bad ways of coping, struggling in relationships, struggling in work. Hell, just struggling in life!

I don't want to put a label on you, but I definitely think you belong here!

I'm just wondering what's going on for you now? How's things? Do you see a therapist? Work? Life? Love? Family? - - Lots of questions, which you don't have to answer. We just look forward to hearing more from you, supporting you if we can, and getting to know you.

Take care.
 
I agree with what others have said. If you feel like you belong, then by all means take part in this site. There's no judgement. We are all survivors in one way or another and all deserve support and equal treatment in our healing journeys.
I for one think that when a child is exposed to anything sexual on any basis is sexual abuse, to an extent at least. Being 5 years old... that's definitely not okay. And "active hate"... that's also definitely traumatizing.
You will be accepted here. I care about you and support you 100%. Blessings and safe :hug: if ok.

Much love and support your friend, Chantel~
 
If you feel you need help learning the skills you will need to have a happy life because of early sexual experiences then you belong here. It doesn't matter what the sex experiences are called.

I'm sorry that you have suffered. No one deserves to be hurt.

It is possible to learn how to make friends without sex. It's a long process though. :)
 
I've honestly forgotten the experience of kindness and acceptance, it's been so long.

"I'm just wondering what's going on for you now? How's things? Do you see a therapist? Work? Life? Love? Family? - - Lots of questions, which you don't have to answer. We just look forward to hearing more from you, supporting you if we can, and getting to know you."

Without authenticity, we can experience no true acceptance, of course, all apparent acceptance being therefore attributed to our "act", rather our true selves. And what would be the point of a forum like this, if not to expose one's true self, and circumstances?

Mine are not the stuff to inspire happy thoughts--at least not at the moment. But I'm here to share the truth. My fear is that it will simply be too much-that I'll become an outcast in yet another place I'd hoped to find safety and acceptance, and experience yet more of the rejection which has not only been the very fabric of my life from childhood--for the "crosscultural" reasons mentioned in my introduction, the rejection of my supposed my cultural peers (Americans) when I present with Latin American traits, but without the accent to put it into context.

But fate has provided me with another, much more formidable "opportunity for growth", only recently-last year.

You see, I've had a stroke (due to a congenital heart murmur)--fortunately, I suppose, much better...or much "less bad", than it could have been.

In a way, anyway.

While I was lucky enough to retain full use of my limbs, vocal chords, and all other faculties (though I have some muscle peripheral muscle weakness)... the left side of my face was affected, making my left eyelid sag to the point that that it droops over the midway point of my left eye, covering the pupil, and lack enervation/control--and the left side of my face is now only partially responsive. My right eyelid was also affected, limiting control but less so than the left, and causing it to sag as well, only less pronouncedly.

The upshot is that, while I can focus far-field, and therefore drive, thankfully-when I focus near-field, on another's face, my left eye closes automatically (in order to enable the right eye to see alone, and therefore clearly). When this happens, the left side of my face contracts, as well, contorting into a frightening "rictus"....At which point my right eyelid contracts as well, somewhat, due to the contortion of my face--making it difficult to focus on the person I'm addressing, and making anything like real "eye contact" completely impossible.

I wear an eye-patch, just to let others know that there's an obvious physical problem, in attempt to account for the reaction in terms of an obvious physical disability, and better put them at ease. But even then, my right eyelid closes, and face grimaces when I attempt to focus visually. People are given the impression not only that I am not looking them in the eye-resulting in many confrontations, as someone who is "shifty" and appears to be hiding something is often confronted by others, especially in direct communication--but also as someone who is potentially "off"...as it's common of course for a lack of eye-contact/unusual eye-contact to lend this impression, as well.

I have not been able to look another human being in the eye for over a year--to "connect" with anyone. Even my mother, who can't truly bear the sight of me--though she won't directly admit it of course.

The fact that I am 6'4", and so someone who has always attracted attention anyway, by virtue of that fact alone--now all of these liabilities-as-features attract attention like a flashing neon light.

And even if it were possible to communicate with others without facial expressions, and without eye-contact--who would want someone fitting such a description around...and in the person of a 6'4" and therefore intimidating presence, to begin with?

I scare the villagers. Even the elephant man's hideous appearance had an obviously biological origin for which he could not be held responsible. I'm treated with the reaction reserved for a "shady" lunatic, in even the most basic, brief interactions-- making a simple purchase.

I'm currently located in a remote rural area--all the better to find open-minded sorts who mind their own business-huh?...in Texas, well-noted for its reputation for kindess toward and understanding of anything foreign or unusual (ha!).

I couldn't have hoped for a more ideal setting and homestead. I shudder to think of what would happen if I were forced to interact with others on any more than the brief, highly limited basis I do, and then only out of necessity (grocery shopping, etc.)

I've developed means of compensation-a "hale fellow well met" voice full of cheer to put others more at ease, a brusque, hurried manner of one without time for anything other than a rushed transaction.

But I wonder-if the eyes are the window of the soul...are not our souls nourished by the most basic experiential sharing of self, on an instinctive level, through eye-contact? And as social animals, how long can the soul exist without withering, without this resonance, of our being reflected in the gaze of another, and viscerally acknowledged--accepted. Does the tree falling in the forest make a sound, without a human ear to hear? Then does the soul continue to make a sound, without a human eye to see it? I'm forced to wonder...

I manage my own finances, trading online. I've managed to invest well enough, and that provides some security. I'm very grateful for that. These days, fewer and fewer can say that much, after all.

As far as work is concerned, I'm in the process of writing a non-fiction biological sciences-based treatise on the idea that cycles in civilization can be attributed to changing biological factors, as affected by environments. It's too complicated to explain briefly.

Family? My mother has developed incipient Senile Dementia. Personality changes are generally among the first symptoms--irascibility, paranoia, and aggressiveness being standard, and which my mother has progressed quite a ways in displaying--threatening to blot out memory of the nurturing, brilliant, notoriously kind person I've known all my life.

I live only 45 minutes away, which makes looking after her safety convenient--and to have somewhere far enough away to retreat to is necessary, as well.

The funny thing is, that in many ways, this is exactly what I've always wanted--an excuse to avoid humanity, because of the lifelong problems I've experienced "relating to my own kind", as I mentioned.
And while Latin Americans, while they have always identified me on sight as Latin --through quality of eye-contact, body language, etc (we instantly know our own kind, after all)-with relations between the two cultures becoming ever more hostile, fewer and fewer can "get past" the fact that I have no accent, and appear to be a 6'4" "gringo", or are even willing to try.

But quality of eye-contact was always the determining factor in their assurance that I was of Latin heritage. Latin eye-contact is particularly idiosyncratic-there are many references in literature to "the piercing gaze of the Latin American", for example.
Whenever meeting my Latin American's throughout my life--there was a predictable routine...they would look closely into my eyes, readjust, and say confidently..."no, you're not American, you're Latin". I got my eye-contact from my father, after all.

Irony of Irony--now I'm without the basis for establishing those relations-of qualifying as acceptable by at least some standard, of experiencing some rapport with a kindred spirit.

If by this point--if you've even made it this far--you're likely reaction is "it's just too much". Then I understand completely. Join the club. That's why I'm reluctant to tell my story honestly. It's just too much--to believe, for one...and if it were believed, simply too much to stomach. People are human, after all. They can only expected to go with you so far. I don't blame them at all. Who would?

Do I have a therapist? I'm still working on how that would be possible without eye-contact or accurately reflective facial expressions.
Even before the stroke, I was run out of almost every therapists office I saw. It's interesting, almost every one--some 10 or so, I've forgotten exactly, now--stood up shouting "How can I help you!! How can I help you !! How can I help you!!", until I got up and dashed out in bewilderment (makes me wonder if this is a technique they learn in school..."If you're only saying 'How can I help you', no one can accuse you of abuse..."). For a long time, I didn't even understand what had happened, what I'd done, why that reaction?

Not only would none believe my story...none were willing to accept what appeared to be and sounded like an American, but with completely alien traits--and as they were Anglo-Americans, ones for which they had no frame of reference for placing in the first place. Not to mention, as I have, the "aberrant" quality of eye-contact. The single therapist who would hear me out listened to my story, waited almost a minute without speaking or moving, while staring at me, then replied...."If that's actually all true, then I can't help you."

But this is not at all a "woe-is-me" plea for pity. I will not quit. I don't know what the future looks like at this point, but I do know that. when I get there, I'll have all the more satisfaction at having overcome such odds. I don't come from quitters.

I'm currently in the process of finding a Latin trauma specialist. I'll send her an email describing my situation and history, and see what happens. I've found one in Austin, of all places. It's not common for Latin Americans to go into the field--culture-based bias against it.

But I do need some support--of some kind--from someone. So I tell my story. And if it's too much, then so be it.

Thank you all for your kind words of acceptance and encouragement. Your sincere efforts at reaching out have made more of an impact than you will likely ever know.
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I see no reason for you to be an outcast here. All you can be, is as honest as possible, and see where that leads you.

I see no reason for you to be an outcast in life, but I guess that's a different story.

I'm sorry to hear all that you are going. It sounds tough to walk in your shoes. But you also have a great attitude, so all kudos to you.

It's heartbreaking to hear that you feel your facial features are no longer 'acceptable', and that you feel so lost living without eye contact. There are without doubt some hurtful people out there, but there are also a lot of people in the world who are full of compassion and love.

While it's tough to put yourself out there, when you feel the way you do, isolating yourself will only perpetuate a cycle of more isolation. You need to be out and about meeting people in order to meet the good folk - those that won't prejudge you. I don't know how long ago you had your stroke, but I'm sure it will take a lot of time to get used to the new you, and build up some resilience to the people who stare, or walk away, or who appear afraid of your appearance. But if you isolate yourself, you have no chance of meeting the 'good' people!

Have you considered getting in touch with other people who have similar problems? In the UK there is a charity called Changing Faces, a charity for people and families who are living with conditions, marks or scars that affect their appearance. You can read more about Changing faces here https://www.changingfaces.org.uk/About-Us I just wonder if there is anything similar where you are? Did the hospital that treated you when you had your stroke offer any emotional support?

I also wonder if you have looked at online therapy as an option, perhaps as a starting point. Again, I don't know what is available where you live, but it might be worth investigating.

Your book sounds well beyond my comprehension, but it's good to hear that together with on line trading you don't have financial troubles to add to your bag!
 
Mine are not the stuff to inspire happy thoughts--at least not at the moment. But I'm here to share the truth. My fear is that it will simply be too much-that I'll become an outcast in yet another place I'd hoped to find safety and acceptance, and experience yet more of the rejection which has not only been the very fabric of my life from childhood--for the "crosscultural" reasons mentioned in my introduction, the rejection of my supposed my cultural peers (Americans) when I present with Latin American traits, but without the accent to put it into context.

My interpretation of this is 'thanks for the welcomes but I don't really believe it'. I am sorry that you feel this way. Just give us time and hopefully we wont let you down. As far as the cultural issues are concerned, I know nothing of the Latin-American/ American differences. However I do now about the England / Scotland divide. It is probably not the same thing at all, but at times it can be challenging being English in Scotland, something I never knew before we moved here. I am still pleased to be here despite that, and I just try to keep it in perspective.
You see, I've had a stroke (due to a congenital heart murmur)--fortunately, I suppose, much better...or much "less bad", than it could have been.
I also have a congenital heart murmur, but have been told that it is innocent - i.e. insignificant. What was causing the murmur for you, by which I mean do you know why it led to having a stroke?

I am pleased to here that the stroke was not as bad as it might have been, none-the-less it clearly has had a big impact on your life.
But quality of eye-contact was always the determining factor in their assurance that I was of Latin heritage.
This is fascinating. I never considered eye-contact in this context. I have dealt with issues regarding lack of eye contact associated with shame in therapy. My therapist gently 'forced' eye contact from me and I then realised just how powerful it can be. I guess if you have lost that it must be incredibly difficult. Is it lost forever or is there still a chance that you might recover some control?

Even before the stroke, I was run out of almost every therapists office I saw. It's interesting, almost every one--some 10 or so, I've forgotten exactly, now--stood up shouting "How can I help you!! How can I help you !! How can I help you!!", until I got up and dashed out in bewilderment (makes me wonder if this is a technique they learn in school..."If you're only saying 'How can I help you', no one can accuse you of abuse...").
I don't really understand this. I can find so many answers to the question - such as 'I have a history of trauma and I want to be able to leave the past and move on with my life'
or 'I simply need trauma therapy please'
or 'I have symptoms that include ( for example) depression, anxiety and fear and would like to learn how to manage them'
There are a million of possible answers. This would explain why therapists ask the question. Some people want therapy just to talk and off-load rather than process and progress. Others are hopeful of a cure or are looking for acknowledgment .Still others expect the therapist to fix all the difficulties in their life. Unless the therapist knows where you are coming from and your expectation they do not have a starting point.

Not only would none believe my story...none were willing to accept what appeared to be and sounded like an American, but with completely alien traits--and as they were Anglo-Americans, ones for which they had no frame of reference for placing in the first place.
Are you judging other people's reactions without giving them a chance? You are you, regardless of culture, history and disability. A therapist worth their salt will not judge you, and should be prepared to listen to what is important to you.
"If that's actually all true, then I can't help you."
Shame on him/her! Fortunately they are not all like that. I am sorry you had that experience.
But this is not at all a "woe-is-me" plea for pity. I will not quit. I don't know what the future looks like at this point, but I do know that. when I get there, I'll have all the more satisfaction at having overcome such odds. I don't come from quitters.
Good for you!!! That is the positive mental attitude that I love to hear - although I know it is not always (often?) easy.
 
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