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Does Anyone Ever Feel Like They Are Just A Source And Not A Person?

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Thanks to everyone. I am battling with this still, I am just not able to imagine myself as anything but "the dad". I have hobbies and I have opportunities for outdoor recreation just outside my door. I have about a hundred ways I can reward myself for the job I do, but somehow it just isn't the same without the respect and gratitude I should be getting from my wife and kids.

I honestly do not think I can ever just turn my back and start saying no......there has to be a middle ground where we can all appreciate each other and the things we do for each other and I would hate to miss it because I quit being the dad right before the kids started being adults.

Goona get another towel and get ready for work, and if I have to help someone move or fix a car or pay a bill I should just do it and know that there are parents out there that would be glad to be able to support their kids or even worse, just glad to have any time at all with them. Face it, I am lucky in many ways.
 
just me here, maybe it's (a little bit about) everyone sharing their feelings (including the good ones).

In some ways, I think we all take each other for granted, unfortunately. But I don't think they do at the heart-level, it's just if it's not expressed you might feel that way.

When one is tired, it's also harder.

Hugs-
 
Im am sorry to hear how you feel, and that they are aware and are ignoring the situation. While I think it is a great idea to go off to a ballgame or other activity and treat yourself right. If you can do that and enjoy, that would be great.

I hear a lot of resentment about the situation, and rightfully so. You sound like a very good husband and father, one which many would be envious of.

It sounds as though your children are all grown and have not learned the transition of providing for themselves. Of course if they have not left the nest, they are around with a need much more frequently.
There comes a time in life when it is time to re-connect with our partner, (I dont think you mentioned grand kids yet) before the family grows.

I think we get into such patterns (normal life cycle), and during the child raising years, neglect our relationship with our partner sometimes. Especially those of us who did not have the best childhood and want to make it great for our children. Reality is that the children will eventually (hopefully-lol) go away and the parents are left alone. From my observations, mothers have a more difficult time with the empty nest and men may be more welcoming. It is normal for the kids to have their own relationships that take priority over family of origin.

Can you take a weekend away with just your wife and no interruptions and take the time for fun for just the two of you. Maybe even delegate what may need done while you are gone. I know that it can be difficult to ask for what we need, especially since sometimes we do not even know what it is ourselves. This might prove to not only be fun, but give you the opportunity to share what you are feeling with your wife.

Nobody wants to feel taken advantage of. My generation, most parents didnt provide cars. I have kids and know how different it is. With cell phones, car insurance, etc, even when they have their own apartments, its often cheaper on family plans. Those out of college, could you give them a notice that either they get their own, or you will give them a monthly statement of what they owe toward these bills and what day it is due. I know you are grateful that you are able to do this, but allowing them to provide for themselves will give them a sense of self sufficiency. (even though it may be initially unwelcome-better in long run for their own esteem)

I hope I am not sounding critical because that is not my intent. You have ptsd and health problems and need to take care of yourself and lower your stress. This is not worth your life, accidental or deliberate. Making such a change is very difficult, particularly when you are so tired and worn down from how things have been. There is life after children and as a woman, I can tell you that ofter the empty nest, we do have to re-group to find meaning in life. (my situation different) but still discouraging.

My sister and her husband had children from different marriages and did not see them much, mostly because my sister is not real nice to anyone. She complained a lot of health stuff and her husband did everything for her. She had very expensive taste and bought the finest of stuff, including a brand new Hummer. Her husband retired and it should have been a good time in their life, but I think he worked more because she always wanted something done. He looked more stressed after retirement. Oh he grumbled and said no to her, but then always gave in. The man was never sick a day in his life, and 2 yrs after retirement, he had a massive heart attack and died during his sleep.

Reading your post reminded me of my brother in law who always took care of everything. Im betting your family see's you as the strong one that they can rely on, and never consider the real effects this is having on you. They can become strong while you are still here to see it. If you need to , get your wife to go to therapy with you for couples counseling. I know there are no guarantee's on how this will turn out, but your committment at this point in life is to your wife, and her to you. Time to see the future in the next chapter of life.
 
PS
When my kids call my ex and say they have flat tire-he says, call your mom, I dont know what to tell you

I need to move my furniture from college by may 15, -what did your mom say, well tell your mom

My loans dont cover the LSAT test or the BAR exam-better talk to mom
 
When I read the title of this thread I thought of a metaphysical guru who said, "you are not here to get love, you are here to be the source of love." I thought to myself, "That's all fine and dandy, but there needs to be some reciprocation in a relationship."

It seems that you are being taken for granted and that's not cool at all!

I don't know what it will take for your family to truly appreciate you, but I do know this...we are human 'beings', not human 'doings' and you deserve to be loved and respected regardless of what you are able to give, manufacture, produce, pay for, etc.
 
thanks to all of you.

I have re read all of these posts like a soldier getting letters from home. there is alot of knowledge available here and great advice from a source you can't really tap into anywhere else (fellow sufferers). I think part of the problem here is the amount of hurt we all carry alone, unable to convey to a person that can't understand what PTSD is like. I definitely expect more in return than most for the things I do, but it is unrealistic to expect more appreciation for a days work than anyone else just because it takes more effort to get out of bed and do it for me than others. I still feel unappreciated in comparison to my coworkers when they talk about how they no longer support their kids after they turned 18, how they take vacations when we are scrimping to pay the car insurance and help with school.

Happiness comes when the kids move away and the dog dies they say, but legally we can insure them until they are 26 in the USA, and help with school and car insurance indefinitely (and my labs are probably going to live forever, I have no honest idea exactly how old they are but they act like pups and I have had them at least 6 years now). I need to learn the real path to happiness lies in being happy with what you have, not in having what would make you happy. I have an intact family, a home I have lived in for 25 years, a steady job, and the remnants of a lifetimes collection of hobbies I can return to at any time the urge spurs me.

This too is a temporary situation and these are fleeting emotions that will pass, like everything in life.

You have all helped and I appreciate every effort made.
 
They're leeches. If it's any comfort for you, you're not alone. Try winning the lottery and you'll see how many people "love" you. But if they can't get anything from you, they're nowhere to be seen.
 
SkyDoony- I did try winning the lottery and it didn't happen. I also didn't get any insite into how many people "love" me. Maybe I need to try again? :)

After all of this exchange of info, I am afraid I have to admit I ventured into the forbidden zone a bit and am sorry I did. I had a bad day and worse night, argued with my wife and ended up home alone thinking about draining the savings and checking accounts, loading up my truck and disappearing for awhile.

Instead I called my HMO's mental health crisis line, just to talk to a person that didn't seem like they were out to see how angry they could make me. I explained I was not suicidal, but was honest about my fears of winding up in a motel somewhere so depressed that it would be as natural as throwing away food that has gone bad to just do it. I admitted I had a plan based on personal knowledge of what works and what doesn't, I admitted that there were guns in the house- I live on an acreage and guns for pest control are just part of the deal- and that was the last peice of the puzzle for the guy I was talking to.

He said I had to get to an ER room, he was going to call one of my choice and give me a half hour to get there or there would be police knocking on my door in 31 minutes.

I have been beating myself up for losing it so badly. I go back and forth between wishing I had left and was 6 states from here right now and wondering why I can't maintain a stable mood long enough to have a good day here in what is really a pretty nice life. I know now that the crisis line was a waste of time in my case - If I was going to kill myself it would have happened without the call, and if I needed to talk to someone it would have been better to pick someone without the power and willingness to involve the police because of the instructions on a sheet of paper in his cubicle somewhere far far away from my reality out here in the hills.

I should say to anyone that is having a crisis, making that call or heading to an ER is definitely a good idea. In spite of being forced to go when I didn't want to, I did get to talk to a mental health professional that gave me a very objective view of where my life is and where it is headed. Thats the nicest thing I can say about the experience. I came away with an opinion of my life reinforced by the weight carried by a person that deals with suicidal patients day in and day out. And I am still here and still working and I just mailed out 1900 bucks in bills and thats just the way it is. The kids have cars and insurance and can get their teeth cleaned or a broken leg set or an appendix removed if they need it or want it. Thats what I do, thats what dads do. I am a dad that can, so I do. Beats all the alternatives I guess.
 
justmehere-Im glad you called and Im glad you went. I take it they did not admit you to the hospital. Are you going to go to counseling now? I really hope you are because you deserve to feel better than you often do. It doesnt change the situation, but we can learn to smell the flowers along the way.

There use to be a time when I enjoyed the whole journey. Each day with what came did not feel like a burden. One day it was yard work, another shopping, followed by a long work day or two, etc. Sometimes, now I walk in the kitchen and think, the dog needs water, the trash is full, and the dryer just buzzed, and I want to go back to bed. Somewhere within me I know that it doesnt have to be like this.

I want to enjoy that journey again.

I can relate to you about the adult children never really leaving. My youngest married and asks and gets practically nothing, the oldest has three children, one which I had living with me for a year. The middle, a chronic student who suffers entitlement. Now that she has bled my savings, she has told me off. I think I have enabled these kids to keep coming back though.

Glad you are safe and that you gained something from the experience.
 
I'm glad you went and got help. It seems to me that you are thinking along the lines of the fact that you are unable to change your situation so you are trying to learn to deal with it. You are trying to appreciate the good things you have in life.

That's a good route to take if you aren't able to make the drastic changes you would like. You may be able to find joy in small things and that will add to your overrall contentment. It's a weird thing that happiness is mostly just our attitude. I think it sounds like you are trying to be grateful and that is good. We all could stand to have more gratitude for what we do have.

Is there anyway you could eventually change your job to do something you like? That may be a major source of your sadness. I know it's hard to change jobs. However, make a fresh start doing something else would re-invigorate you. For someone who has to work so hard it would be great if it could be something you really enjoyed.

I hope the best for you and glad that you stayed home and got the help you needed at the ER. Maybe you could take a road trip though just a short one, you and your wife for a weekend. That's always a nice thing to do. A short getaway is a way to break up the monotony of life. Oh and leave your towel behind. :)
 
I can really relate to the feelings expressed. I also long for a time of feeling the family love and all the ordinary things in life, life fixing things, cooking, even cleaning. Its much easier doing it with a partner and family. I think that we do have to change our perceptions about what it is we are dealing with to find that happiness.. Ptsd leave us with distorted perceptions.

There is something to be said to driving a different road to work, changing up our routine, and just swithching things around. People who do not have ptsd experience many of the same feelings and are discouraged after a life of serving others, or at least what seems to be serving others.

God Bless and hope you are well.
 
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